Ranger healing question

[Orratti]

I've made a pure class ranger on tring and I have lots of sps left over after throwing out buffs. My first incarnation was a ranged cleric and I never considered the possibility of being able to fully self heal as a ranger partially because I've never made a full ranger before and partially because I really didn't think I would have the kind of spell points that would make it possible. I already have all of my enhancements picked out and I am only going to have ranger devotion 2. I took 1/2 elf as my race with the monk dil, and enhancements are spent on healing amp to boost incoming healing from other players rather than on devotion.

The basic question is this. Has anyone ever picked up a metamagic feat for boosting healing on a ranger? I'm considering perhaps taking one and would like to know from someone who has tried it. I'm looking to be able to get most of my hit points back on a single casting if possible. Either way with or without metamagics I'd like to hear a little about how well a ranger can heal before I make a decision.

[Glenalth]

It can be worthwhile.

If you can only fit one feat, pick up Maximize. That along with the Ranger devotion enhancements, some healing amp, and Superior Ardor pots can go a long way.

Add some SP regen in the form of Concordant Opposition and/or Torc of Raiyum and it's usually fairly easy to keep yourself topped up.


While it's fun, throwing in Empowered Healing on top of all that is a bit of overkill...

[Orratti]

4 million plus xp to cap how many past lives have you had?

That is using maximize and empowered healing? If so looks like you are right in only saying I would only need one because I'd say you were overhealing if it were only for self healing. You could top off a barb quick with what you are putting out.

[Glenalth]

3 past lives.

That healing is with both feats, the above listed enhancements, a Dragontouched vestment with 10 & 20% healing amp, and Gauntlets of Eternity for that nice crit. A bit more gear and I could push it over 1000 for stunt healing like that.

[Asketes]

happy face for 343 cure surious

sad face for 400 hp

[Glenalth]

sad face for 400 hp

Don't worry about that, it was before getting my Greensteel all in order.

[PopeJual]

I saw people suggest taking Maximise for self healing on a Ranger or Paladin and I always wondered why Maximise gets the love when Empower Healing is so cheap for what it does.

+50% for 10 SP compared to +100% for 25 SP means I can throw more Empowered Heal CSW's than Maximised CSW's.

Empowered Heal CSW's do 25% less healing than a Maximised CSW, but they also cost 35 spell points instead of 50 spell points. Because of the 25 spell point cost that you pay for the CSW on its own without metamagic, you're only getting the Empowered Healing CSW at a 30% discount compared to the Maximised CSW. Because time spent healing is time that you're not smacking opponents in melee, the Maximise ends up making more sense than the Empower.

[Zero_Tolerance]

Wow at ranger heals Preston, nice one. Guess it's time to adjust LFMs to: need cleric/fvs or Preston :P

OP is talking about pure ranger - I assume AA then. No feat list in the post, so here's a feat list for AA:
1: Weapon Focus: Ranged
3: Point Blank Shot
6: Mental Toughness
9: Toughness
12: Improved Crit: Ranged
15: Improved Crit: Slashing
18: Power Attack

Where would Maximize or Emp. Healing go? Instead of Power attack?

[Glenalth]

I saw people suggest taking Maximise for self healing on a Ranger or Paladin and I always wondered why Maximise gets the love when Empower Healing is so cheap for what it does.

+50% for 10 SP compared to +100% for 25 SP means I can throw more Empowered Heal CSW's than Maximised CSW's.

Empowered Heal CSW's do 25% less healing than a Maximised CSW, but they also cost 35 spell points instead of 50 spell points. Because of the 25 spell point cost that you pay for the CSW on its own without metamagic, you're only getting the Empowered Healing CSW at a 30% discount compared to the Maximised CSW. Because time spent healing is time that you're not smacking opponents in melee, the Maximise ends up making more sense than the Empower.

That's pretty much it, when you need big numbers they'll be there. When you don't need the big numbers you can drink pots or use wands.

[grodon9999]

I saw people suggest taking Maximise for self healing on a Ranger or Paladin and I always wondered why Maximise gets the love when Empower Healing is so cheap for what it does.

My Human has Empowered healing because he also has the haling amp enhancements. I found myself over-healing too much with maximize. My elf doesn't have the healing amp enhancements so for her I keep maximize.

[Glenalth]

Wow at ranger heals Preston, nice one. Guess it's time to adjust LFMs to: need cleric/fvs or Preston :P

Where would Maximize or Emp. Healing go? Instead of Power attack?

It's great for emergency healing, but it starts burning through major pots like candy when it gets hairy.

The improved crit for a melee style can be replaced with Min II most of the time. The rest of the weapons are keen/impact, utility weapons, or for causing/during auto-crit situations. It's just a case of gearing for what you are giving up. The easier option is just to go Human.

[yawumpus]

I saw people suggest taking Maximise for self healing on a Ranger or Paladin and I always wondered why Maximise gets the love when Empower Healing is so cheap for what it does.

+50% for 10 SP compared to +100% for 25 SP means I can throw more Empowered Heal CSW's than Maximised CSW's.

Empowered Heal CSW's do 25% less healing than a Maximised CSW, but they also cost 35 spell points instead of 50 spell points. Because of the 25 spell point cost that you pay for the CSW on its own without metamagic, you're only getting the Empowered Healing CSW at a 30% discount compared to the Maximised CSW. Because time spent healing is time that you're not smacking opponents in melee, the Maximise ends up making more sense than the Empower.

Of course, this depends on how much you pumped concentration. While the OP might be going pure, most melee rangers have a rogue splash and have many useful places to dump skill points. Getting out of harms way, casting a few empowered healing spells, and then rushing back in might make more sense.

On the other hand, if you made a brace of epic bejeweled daggers you will want maximize. Go forth and make those daggers (even if you have to switch feats at 19th).

[Talon_Moonshadow]

I've recently been wondering this myself.

My recent lvl 20 Rgr ended up with two cure spell memorised, just because there was nothing better to take.

But when I tried to heal myself up with spells, I felt like I got barely any HP and used a ton of SP.....not ideal at all.

But I have none of the enhancements or gear that might make it a better option.

Enhancements however are tight for me. Too many things I want. I feel like I have no room for healing ones.

Some gear is easy to get. Some is not. Superior Potency items are plentiful. Guantlets from Reaver are easy to get. And I suppose I could have my Rgr carry mana pots.

This is something I need to study more and make some decisions on.

[Glenalth]

Superior Potency items are plentiful.

Superior Ardor IV pots are plentiful and give you even more healing. Just chug one before big battles or when everything starts to go pear shaped.

[Orratti]

I can drop imp crit ranging for a metamagic. Going from a 20 crit range to a 19-20 crit range isn't enough of a boost to be worth the feat to me unless I plan on using the silver longbow all the way through. Some may disagree but I'd rather be using the bow for manyshot, disruptors and paralyzers and using twf with a good crit range weapon the rest of the time.

[PopeJual]

My Human has Empowered healing because he also has the haling amp enhancements. I found myself over-healing too much with maximize. My elf doesn't have the healing amp enhancements so for her I keep maximize.

Easy solution for that - get more HP! (Just kidding - I saw you solo Sins on Elite, so you obviously have enough HP.)

...also, Eladrin has posted that spell point costs for at least some spells are going to be changing. If the spell point costs for Cure spells drop, then Empower Healing will be much more efficient than it is today.

The biggest benefit from Maximise over Empower Healing is that you can get back to full in less time. If you can get back to full in a single Empower Healing'd CSW, then Maximise obviously doesn't make any sense. I really do like the fact that DDO doesn't have any spells or feats that are *always* the best option. Some combinations are obviously better than others, but there is not one "always best" option to choose.

[yawumpus]

Superior Ardor IV pots are plentiful and give you even more healing. Just chug one before big battles or when everything starts to go pear shaped.

You get fourth level spells at what, 14th level? You can afford a few superior Ardor IV weapons by then. It isn't like rangers never a few extra weapons sets about them.

[Jaysensen]

Does anyone else use GS weapons with 10/20/30 amp? I know Phresphrute used those. Wondering if anyone decided to do the same, and what sort of results they got having to do the weapon swapping.

Im gonna respec my namesake Ranger to some sort of healing build (after I TR my other one to a Pally), and Im doing all the greensteel prep.

[Osharan_Tregarth]

Before I tr'd him into a monk for epic running, my st based 18/2 Ranger/fighter had quicken and maximize loaded. The two combined were enough to give me what amounted to 6-10 lay on hands for those emergency "oh ****" moments, depending on how many buffs I'd handed out to people.

[Lleren]

Does anyone else use GS weapons with 10/20/30 amp? I know Phresphrute used those. Wondering if anyone decided to do the same, and what sort of results they got having to do the weapon swapping.

Im gonna respec my namesake Ranger to some sort of healing build (after I TR my other one to a Pally), and Im doing all the greensteel prep.

Some of the Healing Amp variants will make a Greensteel sword like that, mainly for releveling as a TR for those 4 levels where you can't use your DT armor and can use a Greensteel sword. Typically 10% and 20% Healing Amp end up on some Dragontouched Robes/Outfits on the forum build versions though. My Healing Amp character offhands a Greensteel with Holy, Good Burst, and 30% Healing Amp on it.

Can also put 20% Healing amp on a ToD Ring, and gain 30% Healing Amp from Epic Gloves of the Claw I believe, eventually =D It is part of my plan.