Lokalisierung Reaktionen

[Tolero]

Vielen dank für alles Kommentare und Anregungen! Unser QA Gruppe hat ähnlich Inkonsistenzen Übersetzung und Fehler sehen. Wir machen grosse Anstrengung für besser und mehr richtiger Lokalisierung. Dieses Beta sind ersten Schritt für DDO ins Europe zu bringen. Hier werden wir eure diskussion und Fehlerberichte ganze Zeit hindurch lesen! Hertzlichen dank!

(Thank you for all the comments and suggestions! Our QA team has seen similar translation inconsistencies and errors. We are working hard for better and more accurate localization. This beta is the first step to bring DDO to Europe! We'll be continuously reading your discussions here and bug reports! Thank you so much!)

[Jaguras]

Your German is simply horrible, Tolero. :-D Hope that was a Translator from the Web or something. Well, i changed the Language back to english right after the Launcher turned to german without asking. Even though im from Austria, i hate reading german on my PC.

[Tolero]

Your German is simply horrible, Tolero. :-D Hope that was a Translator from the Web or something. Well, i changed the Language back to english right after the Launcher turned to german without asking. Even though im from Austria, i hate reading german on my PC.

I know, it doesn't stop me from continuing to try I at least tried to do most of that from memory and referencing translators for the root words. I'm still bad with endings.

Did you try the lamannia client prior to monday? I noted that anyone who tried the other languages on Lamannia it detected those settings on live. I had been playing with the german Lamannia so when I logged into live last night I was much surprised to see the german. It's easy to change back though in the upper right of the launcher is a "DE" button you can click and you'll get a drop down of EN and FR to pick from.

Post script: correction, I'm still bad with endings and word order

[vrobel]

i think it would be usefuller if you write the quest names in german and if you mouse over them you see the english names,makes grouping with english mates easier

p.s turbine should search for a native german that can translate everything in proper grammar.

[Grimgore]

I applaude Turbines attempt at pleasing and making people feel at home but this might need to be taken away until it can be fixed as it's fairly insulting. A 3rd grader in a language outreach program is better than most of the websites out there, especially when it comes to "non-romance" languages. It seems like this was not too well thought out and cobbled together by someone in the client relations department who wanted to have their name on a project.

So close folks, but it might be time to go back to the drawing board...

Grim

[karl_k0ch]

This is how I see it, and I write this because I hope that it will help you understand how the current situation works for german speaking players. I don't intend to speak for anyone else but myself, but I am under the impression that my German speaking guildmates have a similar feeling about this.

I feel confident enough in the English language that I am going to use the English version in favor of a German one with minor flaws. And this 'beta' has not just minor flaws - there are yet untranslated parts. I already vented a bit in the Lamannia German Feedback forums about that.

There are a couple of things for me why no German client is no problem for me:

The main reason is that I had English as a second language in School, starting at 5th grade. Not every german pupil has that, but I am guessing that at most 30% of all 5th-graders take latin, french or spanish.
The second thing is that I am used to play games, read books and watch movies in english. Although Germany is one of the few countries to have a film translation industry, e.g. a lot of TV series are taken to the german TV rather late.
A third thing is that I am using english as a language to communicate with working colleagues. Even if there is one guy from Germany, one from Russia and one from Venezuela - Bad Simple English works best.

The main question Turbine should ask themselves is: Do you want to attract players who are not able to understand basic english? Who are possibly not able to communicate with other players?

Imho, there are language versions which would add a much higher benefit to the players, eg Spanish or Portuguese.

[Tolero]

Euer Fehlerberichte sind soweit ähnlich zu unsere Untersuchungen, und wir arbeiten noch an ihnen. Es ist sehr hilfreich wenn, euch in euren reaktionen bestimmte Beispiele umfasst. zum Beispiel...

• Wenn Korthos Übersetzung ist es besserer oder schlechter wie Sharn Syndicate oder auch Phiarlan Carnival.
• Oder Gilde Benutzeroberfläche ist so verwirrend du die Inhalt nicht versteht.
• Oder Luftschiff-System hat viele worten noch nicht übersetzt.
• Oder Charakter Benutzeroberfläche sind gekürztlich, aber Waffen Beschreibungen in Ordnung sind.

Diese Reports Arten helfen uns, die Übersetzungen schneller verfeinern.

(So far the overall bug reports and forum comments are similar to our own findings, and we're working through those still. One thing that is greatly helpful to us for further feedback is: if you notice a particular aspect of the game that you feel needs more attention than another, please call those out and with specific examples.

For example:

• It could be that you notice the translations in Korthos are much better or worse than Sharn Syndicate and Phiarlan Carnival.
• Or a particular part of the Guild UI is so confusing that you can't understand what is meant at all.
• Or a game system like airships has many words that weren't translated.
• Or that the UI text is cut off and difficult to read in the character sheet and social panel, but seems fine in the equipment and item descriptions.

These are the types of things that will help us refine our translations more quickly.)

[SisAmethyst]

@vrobel:
I think Quest names should stay in English as they could be considered as proper nouns and commonly used by other players, the forum, the compendium, the ddowiki, ... and then in the Quest Log they can be additionally translated, where you even have the place for some extra words.

@karl_k0ch:
Well, they probably already have a basic version of the translation that was used in Codemaster, and therefore cheaper to just improve that version then pull off an complete new translation into Spanish. I personally not need a German Version either, as I grown up in Germany, live in France and work in an International Company where we speak English. However I know that not everybody is that familiar with English.

And I agree, this beta should stay on Lamannia as giving this out to wider public will just earn you bad reputation of the half backed translation, no matter if you name it beta or not. Especially as nobody will notice that it is announced as beta, they will just use it and being disappointed.

@Tolero:
I guess the first and important things that need to be looked at are the things that you daily have to deal with. For example the Quest list in the Adventure Compendium. Or the Translations in the Character Sheet. If you stumble over one single wrong phrase in a NPC conversation you still can go on and probably forget it seconds after. But an error that you see every day you login and start to play is far more serious.

I will try to start with Classes / Races at first and will try to work me down through the most serious topics. I may even consider going through the list of Quest names and translate them, even if I am totally against the idea of German Quest names for numerous reasons. But maybe you should first do a poll if Quest names should be translated at all.

Classes:

• Barbarian (Savage of the Wild, Storm of Kargon, Bastion of the Outlands) -> Barbar (...)
• Bard (Spellsinger, Virtuoso of the Sword, War Chanter) -> Barde (...)
• Cleric (Warpriest of Siberys, The Font of Healing, Scourge of the Undead) -> Kleriker (...)
• Fighter (Stalwart Soldier, Vanguard Warrior, Whirlwind Fighter) -> Kämpfer (...)
• Favored Soul (Angel of Vengeance, Beacon of Hope, Divine Avenger) -> Begünstigte Seele (...)
• Monk (Shintao Monk, Ninja Spy, Henshin Mystic) -> Mönch (...)
• Paladin (The Mighty Protector, The Truthbringer, The Flame of Justice) -> Paladin (...)
• Ranger (Deepwood Sniper, Tempest, Arcane Archer) -> Waldläufer (Dunkelwald Scharfschütze, Klingensturm, Arkanschütze)
• Rogue (Master Mechanic, The Dark Blade, Thief Acrobat) -> Schurke (Meistermechaniker, Finstere Klinge, Diebesakrobat)
• Sorcerer (Arcane Cannon, The Dynamic Hand, The Voice of Power) -> Hexenmeister (...)
• Wizard (Necromancer, The Ingenious Sage, Elementalist) -> Magier (Nekromant, ...)

This affect the following places:
- Character Creation (This is the only place where the '-' is GOOD, because it break the word of Waldläufer and Hexenmeister! Put the '-' maybe instead between Dunkelwald Scharfschütze for proper syllable division)


- Character Selection (bad, there shouldn't be a '-' neither for Hexenmister!)


- Character sheet (again, no '-' and Gewitter sound bad as well which is probably Klingensturm, but I have no German Rule Book to verify this)


And while we are at it in the Character Creation:
Please replace the cut of words of männlich and weiblich with 'männl.' and 'weibl.' or just 'Mann' and 'Frau' if you not have the space. Further the correct syllabication of the word aus·se·hen

[Tolero]

Sehr gut Beschreibungen. Es ist schon hilfreich!

@Tolero:
I guess the first and important things that need to be looked at are the things that you daily have to deal with. For example the Quest list in the Adventure Compendium. Or the Translations in the Character Sheet. If you stumble over one single wrong phrase in a NPC conversation you still can go on and probably forget it seconds after. But an error that you see every day you login and start to play is far more serious.

I will try to start with Classes / Races at first and will try to work me down through the most serious topics. I may even consider going through the list of Quest names and translate them, even if I am totally against the idea of German Quest names for numerous reasons. But maybe you should first do a poll if Quest names should be translated at all.

Classes:

• Barbarian (Savage of the Wild, Storm of Kargon, Bastion of the Outlands) -> Barbar (...)
• Bard (Spellsinger, Virtuoso of the Sword, War Chanter) -> Barde (...)
• Cleric (Warpriest of Siberys, The Font of Healing, Scourge of the Undead) -> Kleriker (...)
• Fighter (Stalwart Soldier, Vanguard Warrior, Whirlwind Fighter) -> Kämpfer (...)
• Favored Soul (Angel of Vengeance, Beacon of Hope, Divine Avenger) -> Begünstigte Seele (...)
• Monk (Shintao Monk, Ninja Spy, Henshin Mystic) -> Mönch (...)
• Paladin (The Mighty Protector, The Truthbringer, The Flame of Justice) -> Paladin (...)
• Ranger (Deepwood Sniper, Tempest, Arcane Archer) -> Waldläufer (Dunkelwald Scharfschütze, Klingensturm, Arkanschütze)
• Rogue (Master Mechanic, The Dark Blade, Thief Acrobat) -> Schurke (Meistermechaniker, Finstere Klinge, Diebesakrobat)
• Sorcerer (Arcane Cannon, The Dynamic Hand, The Voice of Power) -> Hexenmeister (...)
• Wizard (Necromancer, The Ingenious Sage, Elementalist) -> Magier (Nekromant, ...)

This affect the following places:
- Character Creation (This is the only place where the '-' is GOOD, because it break the word of Waldläufer and Hexenmeister! Put the '-' maybe instead between Dunkelwald Scharfschütze for proper syllable division)


- Character Selection (bad, there shouldn't be a '-' neither for Hexenmister!)


- Character sheet (again, no '-' and Gewitter sound bad as well which is probably Klingensturm, but I have no German Rule Book to verify this)


And while we are at it in the Character Creation:
Please replace the cut of words of männlich and weiblich with 'männl.' and 'weibl.' or just 'Mann' and 'Frau' if you not have the space. Further the correct syllabication of the word aus·se·hen

[BattleCircle]

I really have nothing to add except to say, I don't envy you this project at all Tolero.

While stationed in Germany I learned very quickly that dialects change the language very
quickly. Even something as simple as the number two. In what I was taught zwei = two
and zwolf = 12 but when traveling outside of Rheinland-Pfalz, I quickly learned through
mistakes that some dialects use the word zwo (I am going by phonetics here because
I don't actually know how it was spelled). In this case I thought they were saying twelve
when in actuality they were saying two.

Oh and they do love to mess with Americans. I don't blame them I was in their country
I should speak their language.

Perhaps you can talk Turbine into giving you a vacation to Deutschland so that you can
better understand the language. Hey its worth a try

[Tolero]

...Even something as simple as the number two. In what I was taught zwei = two and zwolf = 12 but when traveling outside of Rheinland-Pfalz, I quickly learned through mistakes that some dialects use the word zwo (I am going by phonetics here because I don't actually know how it was spelled). In this case I thought they were saying twelve when in actuality they were saying two.

I can see how it'd be easy to miss the "f" when spoken quickly. These are things I'm trying to watch out for. We have similar issues in english such as "heal" vs "heel" hehe. Then again I'm kind of a linguist geek and I'm fascinated by all that. Actually a better example is local to us in Boston - there was an advertisement for a "bah with cads and dots"... which turned out to be a "bar with cards and darts".

Perhaps you can talk Turbine into giving you a vacation to Deutschland so that you can better understand the language. Hey its worth a try

It's been my dream to visit Deutschland and other EU countries for a long time (since I was a kid even). I'm hoping that once we start up the marketing machine again I may get to go and visit players there! Maybe at like a big tradeshow or something. I've been diligently listening to my lessons on my drive to work for about 7 months just in case so I can try to speak a little besides my horrible writing Would love to try my hand at speaking and understanding in person.

[Anneliese]

While stationed in Germany I learned very quickly that dialects change the language very
quickly. Even something as simple as the number two. In what I was taught zwei = two
and zwolf = 12 but when traveling outside of Rheinland-Pfalz, I quickly learned through
mistakes that some dialects use the word zwo (I am going by phonetics here because
I don't actually know how it was spelled). In this case I thought they were saying twelve
when in actuality they were saying two.

In the german army they also use zwo for zwei, since you can easily mistake drei for zwei.

(And if you really want to have a complete meltdown, look at something like this http://bar.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA )

[SisAmethyst]

I really have nothing to add except to say, I don't envy you this project at all Tolero.

While stationed in Germany I learned very quickly that dialects change the language very
quickly. Even something as simple as the number two. In what I was taught zwei = two
and zwolf = 12 but when traveling outside of Rheinland-Pfalz, I quickly learned through
mistakes that some dialects use the word zwo (I am going by phonetics here because
I don't actually know how it was spelled). In this case I thought they were saying twelve
when in actuality they were saying two.

Oh and they do love to mess with Americans. I don't blame them I was in their country
I should speak their language.

Perhaps you can talk Turbine into giving you a vacation to Deutschland so that you can
better understand the language. Hey its worth a try

Well, spoken German may have different dialects. Even British English is different the American English. However in written German there is officially no 'zwo' but only the plane 'zwei' and every German should be able to read this

Indeed, one learn a language best by living it. However I don't think that Germans love in particularly to mess up with Americans. In fact I guess most of them are good friend with the stationed Soldiers. But Germans may love to mess around if someone is messing up their Language in a way that it makes one cry.

(And if you really want to have a complete meltdown, look at something like this http://bar.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA )

hehe nice

[MiKe_de]

Vielen dank für alles Kommentare und Anregungen! Unser QA Gruppe hat ähnlich Inkonsistenzen Übersetzung und Fehler sehen. Wir machen grosse Anstrengung für besser und mehr richtiger Lokalisierung. Dieses Beta sind ersten Schritt für DDO ins Europe zu bringen. Hier werden wir eure diskussion und Fehlerberichte ganze Zeit hindurch lesen! Hertzlichen dank!

(Thank you for all the comments and suggestions! Our QA team has seen similar translation inconsistencies and errors. We are working hard for better and more accurate localization. This beta is the first step to bring DDO to Europe! We'll be continuously reading your discussions here and bug reports! Thank you so much!)

Wie wäre es, wenn ihr euch mal anstrengt den gleichen Preis für EU und US Spieler zu geben.

43 Euro die es vor zwei Tagen noch waren sind definitiv nicht 50$. Der Kurs ist deutlich unter 40 Euro!

Da ich die ganze Zeit auf US Servern gespielt habe, empfinde ich die Umstellung als Ungerecht. Und jetzt auch noch heimlich drei Euro draufzulegen, nur weil es im US-shop ein Angebot für 50 USD 6900 Punkte gibt, ist Verarschung, wie man bei uns in Deutschland unfein aber treffend zu sagen pflegt.

Ich würde gerne die 50 USD bezahlen, .... wenn man mich nur ließe. Wenn das die ganze "Umstellung" ist, so habt ihr mich damit als Kunden sehr verärgert.

Globalisierung, ja klar --- Aber nur nicht, wenn man Nachteile dadurch hat.

So das musste ich mal loswerden, weil ich wirklich sehr verärgert bin. Viele Andere halten einfach den Mund, geben euch nie wieder Geld, und verschwinden im Laufe der Zeit.

[Ushramoon]

hallo liebe mitspieler,
ich bin vom hafen zum marktplatz und von dort zu den "zwölfen" gegangen (im englischsprachigen teil des spiels).
bei den "zwölfen" bin ich leider -verdeckt durch einen wasserfall- in einen spalt gefallen und stecke da fest.
vielleicht kann mir ja auf diesem wege jemand helfen. Bitte !

gruss
marisha blackthorne

[karl_k0ch]

hallo liebe mitspieler,
ich bin vom hafen zum marktplatz und von dort zu den "zwölfen" gegangen (im englischsprachigen teil des spiels).
bei den "zwölfen" bin ich leider -verdeckt durch einen wasserfall- in einen spalt gefallen und stecke da fest.
vielleicht kann mir ja auf diesem wege jemand helfen. Bitte !

gruss
marisha blackthorne

Hallo Willkommen in den Foren.

"/stuck" ist ein Befehl, der dich aus Situationen befreit, in denen du feststeckst. Kann man allerdings nur alle paar Tage einmal benutzen, um Missbrauch vorzubeugen.
"/death" lässt dich sterben, was dich zu deinem Seelenbinder zurückbringt.

Ob du mit deutscher Spielsprache andere Befehle nehmen musst, weiß ich leider nicht.

[Ushramoon]

hi karl_k0ch,
vielen dank für deine hinweise.

ich bin wieder frei .. ))

gruss
marisha blackthorne