The Shadow Knight - Incorporeal AC Hate Tank - (14 Paladin/6 Monk)

**Balkas** · 03-15-2011, 11:28 AM

The Shadow Knight - Incorporeal AC Hate Tank - (14 Paladin/6 Monk)

After getting sick of watching countless ToD pug clerics waste all sorts of resources healing No AC/Fat HP tanks, I wanted to come up with a character that accomplished the following:

-Healer Friendly Tank
-Generate enough Hate to hold aggro while allowing other party members to go all out on DPS (Which I think is where I'll have the most issues)
-Have good DPS when not tanking.
-Be a little different.

I'll probably still make a 12 Fighter/6 Paladin/2 Monk tank at some point so I can directly compare the 2 builds.

Please note that I will be also using this as a reference post as I level.

Name: The Shadow Knight

While not very similar to the Shadow Knights of EQ, I figured the name was appropriate given the fact that he's a Paladin that uses Shadow Fade.

Classes: 14 Paladin/6 Monk - Defender of Siberys II/Ninja Spy I

14 Paladin gets you all sorts of goodies: Saves, Zeal, Holy Sword, Exalted Smite III, Divine Sacrifice II, Divine Might II, Divine Righteousness, etc...

6 Monk gets you Ninja Spy I, which grants you the wonderful Shadow Fade ability along with the ability to use shortswords and stay centered. Turbine decided to throw Ninja Spies a bone by granting them the Cutthroat's Smallblade in the Anniversary Event. I can dual wield those while in DPS mode, or pair one with a Mineral II SS with +4 Insight AC while tanking. While questing, I'll most likely be using a pair of Vampiric Fury Shortswords and go into healing amplification mode.

Race: Human

Half-Elf would also make a good choice (Favored Soul or Sorceror Dilettante depending on your preference) but I'm a fan of the extra feat and skill point that Humans get. Drow are also a good choice since they gain a bonus to shortswords. The penalty to constitution is offset by the bonuses elsewhere. I think a 1st TRd Drow would only be down 1 wisdom point from the Human version. I may do my 2nd TR into a Drow if I feel I don't need the extra Toughness feat.

Alignment: Lawful Good

Ability Scores:

34 Point Build
STR: 15 + 5 levels + 2 Tome + 6 Item = 28
DEX: 15 + 2 Tome + 6 Item +1 Enhancement = 24
CON: 14 + 2 Tome + 6 Item = 22
INT: 11 + 2 Tome = 13
WIS: 11 + 2 Tome + 6 Item + 1 Enhancement = 20
CHA: 14 + 2 Tome + 6 Item = 22

Important Tomes: +1 Int at lvl 1, +2 Int and +2 Dex at lvl 7

I probably wouldn't attempt this as a 28 pointer (Maybe drop Strength and Finesse?); 32 Point Build could drop Wis while a 36 Point Build could add a point to Strength.

Feats

1) Monk - Toughness, Human Bonus: TWF, Monk Bonus: Dodge
2) Monk - Monk Bonus: Toughness
3) Paladin - Power Attack
4) Paladin
5) Paladin
6) Paladin - Extend
7) Paladin
8) Paladin
9) Paladin - Improved TWF
10) Paladin
11) Paladin
12) Paladin - Improved Critical: Piercing
13) Paladin
14) Paladin
15) Paladin - Greater TWF
16) Paladin
17) Monk- Monk: Path of Inevitable Dominion
18) Monk - Combat Expertise
19) Monk
20) Monk - Toughness

Level order is mostly personal preference. You could take all the monk levels early if you like leveling monk-style more.

Skills:

Intimidate, Concentration, UMD, Balance

Enhancements:

Defender of Siberys II (6)
Ninja Spy I (4)
Bulwark of Good III (6)
Resistance of Good III (6)
Divine Might II (3)
Divine Sacrifice II (3)
Exalted Smite III (6)
Extra Smite Evil IV (10)
Divine Righteousness (1)
Armor Boost I (1)
Focus of Good I (1)
Improved Jump II (3)
Improved Tumble II (3)
Darkside Elemental Debuff (2)
Way of the Patient Tortoise II (3)

The rest of the 22 points can be distributed as you see fit through Paladin and Racial Toughnesses, Human Adaptabilities, Class Stat Enhancements, and Human/Monk Improved Recoveries.

AC:

10 Base
4 Icy Raiments Dodge
3 Chattering Ring Dodge
1 Nimble Trinket Dodge
1 Alchemical Dodge
1 Feat Dodge
7 Dexterity
5 Wisdom
2 Monk Bonus
4 Insight (Shroud Crafted)
5 Protection
8 Armor Bracers
4 Aura
__________
55 Unbuffed

3 Barkskin
4 Shield
__________
62 Self-Buffed

1 Dex Shrine
1 Wis Shrine
3 AC Crew
__________
67 Guild-Buffed

5 Combat Expertise
3 Defender of Siberys II Stance
__________
75 AC Mode

2 Full Barkskin
4 Bard Song
1 haste
2 Recitation
2 Full Paladin Aura
__________
86 Raid-Buffed

1 Exceptional Wisdom +2
1 Exceptional Dexterity +2
3 Abishai Profane
__________
91 Hypothetical Maximum

Hit Points:

20 Base
48 Monk
140 Paladin
200 Constitution (14 Base + 2 Tome + 6 Item + 2 Exceptional + 3 DoS II Stance + 2 Ship Buff + 1 Enhancement)
45 Shroud
10 Argo Favor
30 GFL
20 Toughness Item
66 3 Toughness Feats
15 Tortoise II
60 Toughness Enhancements
_________
654 Tanking Hit Points

40 Yugo Pot
40 Exceptional +1 and Abishai
20 +4 Tome
20 Mountain Stance
__________
774 Hypothetical Maximum

Saves:

Fortitude/Reflex/Will
9/4/4 - 14 Paladin
5/5/5 - 6 Monk
6/7/5 - Stats
1/1/1 - Stat Shrines
5/5/5 - Resistance +5
6/6/6 - Divine Grace
2/2/2 - Good Luck +2
1/1/1 - Alchemical
4/4/4 - Aura
4/4/4 - Greater Heroism
________
43/40/38 - Basic Saves

4/2/2 - DoS II Stance
________
47/42/40 - Tanking Saves

Hypothetical (Somewhat Ridiculous) End-Game Gear:

Goggles: Concordant Opposition / SP / +5 Charisma Skills / +6 Wisdom
Helmet: Pirate +6 Seeker +15 Balance/Intimidate/Concentration/Whatever
Necklace: Epic Siren's Charm
Trinket: Epic Gem of Many Facets
Cloak: Epic Envenomed Cloak / Good Luck +2
Belt: Mineral 2 / HP
Ring: Chattering Ring
Ring: Kyrian's or Thamor's / +2 STR or CON
Gloves: Epic Gloves of the Claw
Boots: Epic Boots of Corrosion / Dexterity / Greater False Life
Bracers: Epic Scorched Bracers / Toughness
Armor: Icy Raiment

Tell me what you think.

**pie2655** · 03-15-2011, 11:43 AM

Bit of an Idium there, dark monk/pally. And a paladin is like a warrior of good......

**LWT** · 03-15-2011, 12:02 PM

why imp crit slashing when shortswords are puncturing?

**Balkas** · 03-15-2011, 12:27 PM

Good catch :-) it was a WSS Longsword build but I changed it up and forgot to switch.

**Braxion** · 03-15-2011, 01:19 PM

Oh another annoying Balk "Mutt" Build...

Sigh, I guess I will have to help you level this one up too

**Sarekoth** · 03-15-2011, 01:23 PM

tanking horoth on my dark monk, when i use shadowfade he starts to move a little, doesnt turn but the melees need to be paying attention and move to his tail again.

**AylinIsAwesome** · 03-15-2011, 01:24 PM

Have you thought about Drow, for the extra damage to Shortswords?

**Balkas** · 03-15-2011, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by pie2655

Bit of an Idium there, dark monk/pally. And a paladin is like a warrior of good......

I was considering calling him "The Hypocrite".

Originally Posted by Braxion

Oh another annoying Balk "Mutt" Build...

Sigh, I guess I will have to help you level this one up too

Balkorr is grateful. Level 8 Paladin right now; will LR+1 when I feel like playing a Monk. :-)

Originally Posted by Sarekoth

tanking horoth on my dark monk, when i use shadowfade he starts to move a little, doesnt turn but the melees need to be paying attention and move to his tail again.

Thanks for the advice. :-)

Originally Posted by AylinIsAwesome

Have you thought about Drow, for the extra damage to Shortswords?

Drow are an intriguing choice and would definitely work also. Maybe I'll try Drow for the 2nd TR if I find that I don't need the extra toughness feat.

**AylinIsAwesome** · 03-15-2011, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Balkas

Drow are an intriguing choice and would definitely work also. Maybe I'll try Drow for the 2nd TR if I find that I don't need the extra toughness feat.

Just played with the stats a bit... I can't see getting CON above 12, so -42 HP (though starting at 13 is possible, so only -22).

On the other hand, you'd probably get 2 more AC out of it (16 DEX with Drow enhancements, 13 starting WIS).

**Balkas** · 03-15-2011, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by AylinIsAwesome

Just played with the stats a bit... I can't see getting CON above 12, so -42 HP (though starting at 13 is possible, so only -22).

On the other hand, you'd probably get 2 more AC out of it (16 DEX with Drow enhancements, 13 starting WIS).

As a first TR, I think you could go:

STR: 15 (7)
DEX: 15 (5)
CON: 14 (10)
WIS: 10 (2)
INT: 11 (1)
CHA: 14 (4)

You do get 30 points as a TR'd Drow, correct? Granted, the AC might be high enough with Shadow Fade that you won't need the extra CON bracket, in which case putting those 4 build points into DEX/WIS certainly does make sense.

**etelan** · 03-15-2011, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by Balkas

You do get 30 points as a TR'd Drow, correct?

Yup :P

**pie2655** · 03-15-2011, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Balkas

I was considering calling him "The Hypocrite".

Maybe you should rename him that

**grodon9999** · 03-15-2011, 10:11 PM

What can you get the HP up to? My fighter (build link in sig) was at about 760 last night on hard horoth and a disentergrate almost rocked him. I'd like at least 700 HP for this.

**Balkas** · 03-16-2011, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by grodon9999

What can you get the HP up to? My fighter (build link in sig) was at about 760 last night on hard horoth and a disentergrate almost rocked him. I'd like at least 700 HP for this.

20 Base
48 Monk
140 Paladin
200 Constitution (14 Base + 2 Tome + 6 Item + 2 Exceptional + 3 DoS II Stance + 2 Ship Buff + 1 Enhancement)
45 Shroud
10 Argo Favor
30 GFL
20 Toughness Item
66 3 Toughness Feats
15 Tortoise II
60 Toughness Enhancements
_________
654 Tanking Hit Points

20 Yugo Pot
40 Exceptional +1 and Abishai
20 +4 Tome
20 Mountain Stance
__________
754 Hypothetical Maximum

Saves:
F/R/W
9/4/4 - 14 Paladin
5/5/5 - 6 Monk
6/7/5 - Stats
1/1/1 - Stat Shrines
5/5/5 - Resistance +5
6/6/6 - Divine Grace
2/2/2 - Good Luck +2
1/1/1 - Alchemical
4/4/4 - Aura
4/4/4 - Greater Heroism
________
43/40/38 - Basic Saves

4/2/2 - DoS II Stance
________
47/42/40 - Tanking Saves

Hypothetical (Somewhat Ridiculous) End Game Gear:

Goggles: Concordant Opposition / SP / +5 Charisma Skills / +6 Wisdom
Helmet: Pirate +6 Seeker +15 Balance/Intimidate/Concentration/Whatever
Necklace: Epic Siren's Charm
Trinket: Epic Gem of Many Facets
Cloak: Epic Envenomed Cloak / Good Luck +2
Belt: Mineral 2 / HP
Ring: Chattering Ring
Ring: Kyrian's or Thamor's / +2 STR or CON
Gloves: Epic Gloves of the Claw
Boots: Epic Boots of Corrosion / Dexterity / Greater False Life
Bracers: Epic Scorched Bracers / Toughness
Armor: Icy Raiment

**Cheswick** · 05-01-2011, 03:54 PM

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Dagbar Thunderbolt
Level 20 Lawful Good Halfling Male
(14 Paladin \ 6 Monk) 
Hit Points: 330
Spell Points: 239 
BAB: 18\18\23\28\28
Fortitude: 25
Reflex: 20
Will: 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    16
Dexterity            15                    17
Constitution         12                    17
Intelligence         11                    14
Wisdom               12                    17
Charisma             14                    16

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               5                    23
Bluff                 2                     3
Concentration         5                    31
Diplomacy             2                     3
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                2                     3
Heal                  1                     3
Hide                  2                     9
Intimidate            4                    25
Jump                  2                     9
Listen                1                     5
Move Silently         2                     5
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     2
Search                0                     2
Spot                  1                     3
Swim                  2                     3
Tumble                3                     6
Use Magic Device      4                    10

Level 1 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Halfling Athletics I
Enhancement: Improved Jump I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I


Level 2 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I


Level 3 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Enhancement: Paladin Armor Class Boost I
Enhancement: Paladin Focus of Good I


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Saves Boost I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I


Level 5 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I


Level 6 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise
Enhancement: Halfling Athletics II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II


Level 7 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Armor Class Boost II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: INT
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Defender of Siberys I


Level 9 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate I
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate II


Level 10 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III


Level 11 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate III


Level 12 (Monk)
Ability Raise: CON
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Paladin Armor Class Boost III
Enhancement: Improved Jump II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II


Level 13 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Porous Soul
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning II


Level 14 (Monk)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Combat Expertise
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I
Enhancement: Adept of Rock
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II


Level 15 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise II
Enhancement: Fists of Iron


Level 16 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: CON
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Armor Class Boost IV


Level 17 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good III


Level 18 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons
Enhancement: Paladin Defender of Siberys II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might II


Level 19 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good III


Level 20 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: CON
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Action Boost II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I

**Balkas** · 05-02-2011, 04:21 AM

Why Shield Mastery?

**Cheswick** · 05-02-2011, 09:30 AM

There was a pre-requisite for defender of siberys . Could I have taken something else instead?

nvm : I see I was supposed ot take combat expertise. I will fix it

**Zimdar** · 07-13-2011, 09:51 AM

Why is Shadow Fade good if it drops like inviz does when you perform certain actions like say attacking?

**laeris** · 07-13-2011, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Zimdar

Why is Shadow Fade good if it drops like inviz does when you perform certain actions like say attacking?

After it 'drops' you receive 1 minute of incorpreality--stacking with cloudkill, displace, blur etc etc. Unaffected by True Sight, it effectively reduces a chunk of the damage you would take.

**Zimdar** · 07-14-2011, 08:29 AM

OK .. (here is where I kick myself).

I HAD a 6 monk/6 wiz - I thought ninja spy shadow fade ability + blur/displace then later Wraith form was a good way to mitigate damage.. I tried it out. Didnt see the 1 min incorporeal buff.. Thought to myself.. this is lame.. /delete.

Turns out it is a sweet deal...

/kicks self x 3

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