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    Default Go roll a healer. Seriously

    So, last night my FvS was running a couple of Shroud flagging quests for a guildmate who needed them, and a few other puggers, and during the amount of time it took us to run Ritual Sacrifice and Let Sleeping Dust lie I got FIVE (count 'em - FIVE!) /tells from people looking for a healer for their group.

    Now, I don't really mind this too much. Often I will actually run with a group who does that, because I know they've probably been sitting around a while, and that's no fun for anyone.

    But I was in a party! Don't people know how to tell when someone is in a party? Obviously they have enough knowledge of the social panel to be able to find me, then surely they should be able to also sort it by "in party" and then only /tell those healers who are currently *not* in a party.

    Is that too much to ask?

    And while I'm on this topic - there's been a general increase in the amount of /tells I've been getting lately wanting a healer.

    If you're reading this, and you've found yourself looking for the social panel for available healers so you can fill up your PUG and have been unsuccessful because no healers were online, or none of them wanted to run The Pit for the 17th time (It really is a cleric's worst nightmare) - log off, and go roll up a healer.

    You'll almost never have to wait for another PUG group to fill, and you'll almost never be denied a spot!
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    Because of the low quality of many pugs, many people mark their healers as anonymous and only run with guildies. My cleric is part of a static group so I don't have to deal with trying to keep noobs alive. I would say there are plenty of healers, but many of them are so jaded about carrying people through quests in their backpacks that they simply don't bother anymore.

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    Strangely enough, I find when I'm on my cleric and don't have anything to do nobody bothers to /tell me begging for heals. When I'm in a group in the middle of a quest, however, I get people asking me to join them in some other quest.

    On my favored soul the other night, while in a mostly guild group with an lfm for VON3, I got a /tell from a group looking for a healer to farm VON3...


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    Op, this happened to me last night on Sarlona. I was as nice as I could be and said "Sorry, but I am in a group with my guildies", but we had a good laugh about it because they also had an LFM up begging for a healer and said they would pay 1000pp.
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    If they need JUST a healer, they should just get a hireling and be done with it. It does require some time to get used to the controls, but once thats outta the way, a hireling healer is pretty much equal to a PUG healer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knightgf View Post
    If they need JUST a healer, they should just get a hireling and be done with it. It does require some time to get used to the controls, but once thats outta the way, a hireling healer is pretty much equal to a PUG healer.
    Unfortunately, those people don't read the forums.
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    Yeah, last night I got a tell from a PUG leader asking for heals on a quest. I had seen the PUG listed that he was referring to and amusingly I was above the listed lvl range. I had no interest in running that quest at the time, so I politely sent a tell declining him. Ten minutes later I get the same tell from him, did he not get the "no" the first time?

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    Yeah, it is the /tells I get when I am already grouped that get me. I generally just "/r grouped" and move on.

    I will say this though... pug healing is the easiest way to raise your community profile. I've gotten more "if you ever want to switch guilds, just let me know" type comments from healing a pug than I have for all my other character types combined. Folk remember good healers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by knightgf View Post
    If they need JUST a healer, they should just get a hireling and be done with it. It does require some time to get used to the controls, but once thats outta the way, a hireling healer is pretty much equal to a PUG healer.
    Answer to your riddle, but it seems to not be in the quote hrmm let me thing. A prick or a A-hole would be somone who does somthing once or so and thinks he knows everything about the game. Or some poeple would sat OH! that sounds like a Heavyarms.

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    I got another /tell last night from someone while I was in a party.

    I responded back that they could tell when someone was in a party, and could even sort on that option in the WHO page. He indicated that he didn't know that, and was glad I educated. Whether he was being facetious or not, I don't know. But I figured if I educated at least one person, it's a start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by der_kluge View Post
    Go roll a healer. Seriously
    If I do, does that make me a "Holy Roller"?

    Playing both cleric and favored soul to 20 does give great perspective and strongly influences how I build and play my fighter, trap wizard and barbarian. They stick close to clerics' auras whenever reasonable and never ask favored souls for top offs while I've got more than 25% HP left. I build characters with as much HP as I can reasonably squeeze in because they're the cheapest and easiest to keep up.

    Though I almost always PUG, I don't often respond to those tells if I'm already in a quest and I don't think there are any hard feelings about that. I've been getting a lot of those for SoS lately which is funny because it's one of the few things you're NOT likely to be flagged for already. Do other people stockpile those essenses and not use them right away?
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    The current theory on Orien is that the healers have formed a union and all gone on strike without telling anyone...
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    Hireling healbots may help out some pugs but the answer is that there are simply too few healers on at any one time. Have a look at the LFM page and tell me I'm wrong.

    DDO needs the druid class and it needs to be F2P to help with the healer shortage.

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    Turbine needs to fix the healbot AI so that one hireling will heal the whole party.

    Then the divine players will be getting a LOT less requests for pugs.

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    On Khyber, I keep my capped FVS on anon. I mean, ok yeah, it only takes a few seconds to type "/r No thanks.", but when you are constantly getting tells, it gets annoying.

    Not only that, but some tells were from people I had run with before, and they knew I was female and thought they could cajole me into healing for them, and thus would not take no for answer.

    Sometimes I'd get tells that were just something like "Hard Vod?" Maybe it's because I'm a girl, but I like being asked nicely. "Would you mind healing this Vod on Hard?" is much more likely to get a yes out of me. And it doesn't take any longer to type than the "/r No thanks" that was previously mentioned.

    As it is now, I mostly just heal for my guild and avoid pugs at all, spending most of my time on my melee characters.
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    those of you who wish to know the name of the guild that blacklisted my officer it was in my first post if you were paying attention and know a few of the cannith guild names

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeToo View Post
    Playing both cleric and favored soul to 20 does give great perspective and strongly influences how I build and play my fighter, trap wizard and barbarian. They stick close to clerics' auras whenever reasonable and never ask favored souls for top offs while I've got more than 25% HP left. I build characters with as much HP as I can reasonably squeeze in because they're the cheapest and easiest to keep up.
    This is so, so true. My Cleric was my only character for the first six months I played. Capped, TR'ed, and capped again before I made a second character. My bard has UMD and heal boosting equipment. My 18/2 archmage in the making has enough UMD to wand heal now, and soon will be able to do Heal scrolls. I carry pots and top myself off without bothering the divine casters, uses the aura whenever possible (but I'll be separated from the group on both for traps/locks/etc), and both use CC a lot more than most others I see in PUG's. I have about as much HP as I can squeeze out of them for the same reason you mentioned, easier to keep up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeToo View Post
    If I do, does that make me a "Holy Roller"?

    Playing both cleric and favored soul to 20 does give great perspective and strongly influences how I build and play my fighter, trap wizard and barbarian. They stick close to clerics' auras whenever reasonable and never ask favored souls for top offs while I've got more than 25% HP left. I build characters with as much HP as I can reasonably squeeze in because they're the cheapest and easiest to keep up.

    Though I almost always PUG, I don't often respond to those tells if I'm already in a quest and I don't think there are any hard feelings about that. I've been getting a lot of those for SoS lately which is funny because it's one of the few things you're NOT likely to be flagged for already. Do other people stockpile those essenses and not use them right away?
    I'm 1 essence shy of having 2 full sets in the bank. *shrug*
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    I have two capped and geared FvS's on Cannith. I get a moderate amount of tells/requests to join stuff, all of which I reply to with either a "no thanks" or "sure." I have never been anonymous, because I can spare the few odd seconds required to type "/r no thanks" without having an aneurysm because someone sent me a tell. The point of that statement is to point out that i am decently reasonable and tolerant when it comes to playing well with others.

    However, more often than not i decline these tells because I either do not wish to do the quest/raid they are on, or have seen the LFM up and avoid it due to what it contains (whether that means people, builds, or whatever sillyness).

    The problem in endgame Cannith content is not that there are an insufficient quantity of divines. Rather, there are more than enough divines, but they don't want to do the raids you are doing, or they want to do the raids you are doing, just not with you. Lately there seems to be a large quantity of capped characters that exhibit... highly insufficient or otherwise unacceptable performance.

    Here is a rather simple and common sense approach to attracting divines to your raids:

    1) Realize that the divine is not there to save a bad or otherwise failed raid. They may possess the ability to do so, but they are in no way required to spend their own personal resources to act as a bilge pump for a Failboat. Nobody cares about the SP pots they spent once the raid is over, and they are usually not compensated for them, even if people say they will beforehand.

    2) While a cookie-cutter party/raid makeup is not necessary for success, it is important that it at least looks like a feasible combination if you want a divine to be interested in joining. No divine is going to be enthusiastic about joining a group that looks like couldn't survive without being constantly hooked up to life support.

    3) Remove Curse, Neutralize Poison, Blindness Removal, Lesser Restoration, etc. Potions, how do they work? Carry potions, because divines are not your personal convenience-dispensers. It's cheaper to rez you than it is to remove your curses for you. No, I do not carry Feast, the Auction House is that way if you need a poison immunity item and can't be bothered to carry potions for it.

    4) Wear your big-boy pants. Just because you are bad at maintaining a positive hit point total does not mean that the divine drop what they are doing and rush to re-fill your red bar. If Horoth is mostly full and your support melee can't be bothered to not get cleaved horribly due to bad positioning, you get to die (and most likely get your stone moved to the far corner by the portals). It's called prioritization and triage.

    Being known as a responsible and reasonable player will make divines MUCH more likely to join your raids. Being known as a responsible and reasonable player that also requires people that join his/her raids to act the same will have divines fighting over who get a spot on your raids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheIvanovFamily View Post
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    5) Heavy Fortification isn't a novelty item. Find one, and wear it. Even if it means taking a lower AC on your armor.
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