Reduce plat of those who took advantage of the Dowsing rods:)

[Chai]

Is this really any different then people who sold the new spell scrolls for a mill when they first came out. It is all about supply and demand. I remember the day I could make a good living of sell deadly feaverblanches that dried up when the change of many of the more pricey mushroom (purple ones) with pink ones in the most quests. Delera's for example. This raised the prices of drowshoods but killed the deadly market.

Yeah I hear you, but how much of a riot do you expect Turbine to start? They corrected the issue that people can exploit, and now its a matter of time for the money to get filtered out using the current plat sinks. I am not going to stand here and tell you that it what happened doesnt suck for the economy, but it could be worse - they could just let it slide for a long time, and now the people who capped plat -AND- loaded their inventory with rods can cash the rods in for more plat.

Would we then expect Turbine to edit items bought with laundered money to be edited from peoples accounts? How about shroud weapons where people bought the ingredients off the AH while laundering their rod money? How far does the rabbit hole go? How big of a paper trail and sting operation do you want the devs to partake in?

Me? They already took the right action by eliminating the ability to exploit and sell any left over rods in peoples inventories they may have loaded up on. What would we rather have happen? Would you rather see the devs load up their schedules editing peoples accounts of all moneys, items, etc gained through exploitation, or would you rather they put a patch in place, and then concentrate on what the entire community wants - more content, bug fixes, epic reboot, etc?

I would rather see them focus on the entire game.

[voodoogroves]

Section 17. The bug that dowsing rods and other items from the event could be sold in game has been fixed with this patch.

Not all changes introduced in release notes are "bug fixes". You're making quite a leap in logic there to state that a change must be to a bug and then would be a retroactive COC issue ...

[Thrudh]

Thrudh: How can you say you haven't played much lately but still talk about what's going on with the AH and the in-game economy like an expert?

Because I didn't say I stopped playing...

I've been logging in every 2-3 days to run a Shroud (I still need large scales and completions for my next TR)

Each time I'm in Meridia waiting for Shroud to fill, I check out the AH...

Prices are still higher than they were...

Again, I agree they will probably go back to normal in a month or two...

Look, you know it would break the game economy (plat really WOULD be useless) if that mechanic existed 24/7 all year-around, right?

It was obvious to most people (who are not internally conflicted by rationalizing away their gains) that the devs did not intend to let people max out plat in 4 hours. We know now we were right about that. The devs did NOT intend for people to get plat that fast (otherwise why are they removing it?).

It was a mistake on their part. You rolled the dice and got a 20... No ban this time.

[Ziindarax]

This is not true... The run-up in prices on the AH have impacted me and many others...

I'm not saying it's doom and gloom and end of the world, but you can't say there is ZERO impact.

I fail to see how the "run up" prices would have affected you. They certainly did not have any impact on me, and I didn't even hit the platinum cap. :/

[maddmatt70]

Yeah I hear you, but how much of a riot do you expect Turbine to start? They corrected the issue that people can exploit, and now its a matter of time for the money to get filtered out using the current plat sinks. I am not going to stand here and tell you that it what happened doesnt suck for the economy, but it could be worse - they could just let it slide for a long time, and now the people who capped plat -AND- loaded their inventory with rods can cash the rods in for more plat.

Would we then expect Turbine to edit items bought with laundered money to be edited from peoples accounts? How about shroud weapons where people bought the ingredients off the AH while laundering their rod money? How far does the rabbit hole go? How big of a paper trail and sting operation do you want the devs to partake in?

Me? They already took the right action by eliminating the ability to exploit and sell any left over rods in peoples inventories they may have loaded up on. What would we rather have happen? Would you rather see the devs load up their schedult editing peoples accounts of all moneys, items, etc gained through exploitation, or would you rather they put a patch in place, and then concentrate on what the entire community wants - more content, bug fixes, epic reboot, etc?

I would rather see them focus on the entire game.

Turbine is human they will make more mistakes it is inevitable so the policy they should have when those mistakes happen and people take advantage of them is to look the other way. I do not think so.

[jwdaniels]

Section 17. The bug that dowsing rods and other items from the event could be sold in game has been fixed with this patch.

Just because it was stupid doesn't make it a bug.

[Zaal]

anyone who nabbed a stellar 3.75 interest rate on your mortgage recently should also be banned... taking advantage of the financing system like that... geez, you haxor.

[jwdaniels]

Because I didn't say I stopped playing...

I've been logging in every 2-3 days to run a Shroud (I still need large scales and completions for my next TR)

Each time I'm in Meridia waiting for Shroud to fill, I check out the AH...

Prices are still higher than they were...

Again, I agree they will probably go back to normal in a month or two...

Look, you know it would break the game economy (plat really WOULD be useless) if that mechanic existed 24/7 all year-around, right?

It was obvious to most people (who are not internally conflicted by rationalizing away their gains) that the devs did not intend to let people max out plat in 4 hours. We know now we were right about that. The devs did NOT intend for people to get plat that fast (otherwise why are they removing it?).

It was a mistake on their part. You rolled the dice and got a 20... No ban this time.

You assume a lot. I am not internally conflicted, nor do I feel like I have to rationalize away my gains. Nor did I max out my plat.

It was pretty obvious that it wasn't intended, because it was clearly stupid. Do you think that they really intended people to farm the shroud for ingredients and not finish the raid? I doubt that was intended to work that way either. Do you think the devs intended for most barbarians to run around in pijamas? Probably not...

Not everything in game is working as intended, but that doesn't make it a bug or an exploit.

[Thrudh]

I fail to see how the "run up" prices would have affected you. They certainly did not have any impact on me, and I didn't even hit the platinum cap. :/

Really? You fail to see? You have a terrible imagination.

I still need large devil scales. I cannot afford them now. Instead of TRing tomorrow and having fun with a new character class (one that is still fairly new to me), I now have to run Shroud 10+ more times instead.

My time is limited... The run-up in prices will mean a month delay for me to start playing my new character...

Sure, I don't HAVE to have that GS item made before I TR... I don't NEED large devil scales...

But you said there was NO impact on ANYONE. There was an impact on me, and anyone else who buys stuff from the AH.

[Quarterling]

Just ban everybody that accumulated more then 100k plat for 3 days and give the other people some plat or a way to earn easy plat for 3 days. Even if a third of the game gets banned for 3 days oh well. What they did was wrong and might as well let the other people make some money those three days.

You know that one of the best ways to (legally) farm plat in the game is to do IQ quests? A couple hours in there and you can have well over 100k plat, even more if you have a haggle bard and/or are doing speed runs with a static plat farming group.

[Gleep_Wurp]

get over it.how is the economy borked? everything you NEED to buy comes from vendors who have not raised their prices.as for stuff on ah well just go farm it yourself. if you dont have any friends or guildies to help with that maybe you have another type of problem. people who keep crying "the sky is falling the sky is falling" imo really have no clue. anything i made i already spent

[Zaal]

how long are you going to beat a dead horse?

Till i can get me some gelatin from the bonez!

[Requiro]

Oh, and large devil scales are still about twice as expensive as before the CC event...

I'm still waiting patiently to see if they ever go back down.

It won't if there are still people who want to buy for that price.

Same as tome +2. If there are people who will buy them for 500k plat the price will be not going down. But after some time, CC millionaire are waste their money, and everything back to normal.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Section 17. The bug that dowsing rods and other items from the event could be sold in game has been fixed with this patch.

The fact that items were salable could be just lack of forward thinking on the part of the devs. There is no evidence it is or was a bug. They could have made the items 1cp if they wanted, or made them unsalable. You have no reason to conclude that it was a bug - they were just the vendor trash of the event. You wouldn't have done much worse running IQ quests to ransack all day and selling the vendor trash from that (actually you'd probably do better selling IQ trash, and those quests sure aren't more difficult)

[maddmatt70]

You know that one of the best ways to (legally) farm plat in the game is to do IQ quests? A couple hours in there and you can have well over 100k plat, even more if you have a haggle bard and/or are doing speed runs with a static plat farming group.

I am talking about making the plat from the event dowsing rods solely. What you could do to remedy the situation is up all quest loot by 5 times or something of that nature for the 3 day period that the offenders are banned.

[Cyr]

Section 17. The bug that dowsing rods and other items from the event could be sold in game has been fixed with this patch.

Do you define the multitude of balance passes done in the game with all prior behavior to be bugs also?

TWF prior to balance pass = bug?
Epic SoS design prior to balance pass = bug?
Almost every desert epic item prior to numerous balance passes = bug?
Any development decision that is later re-evaluated = bug?

[JOTMON]

One way to have everyone get rid of Plat would be to have Plat weigh as much as those dubloons did.
Every wealthy toon on the server would be over-encumbered.

General chat message... "Help me, I've become plat encumbered and can't get up"

[Thrudh]

Not everything in game is working as intended, but that doesn't make it a bug or an exploit.

I'll agree with that... It's matter of scale though...

Being able to get something 50x as fast as normal is pretty far outside normal parameters.

Turbine screwed up here... They should have made an official annoucement about this issue... They should have fixed it on Monday after the weekend (really, whoever was deleting the posts about it over the weekend should have notified someone and they should have fixed it DURING the weekend).

(Note I'm not saying they should banned anyone... I'm saying they should have fixed it quickly, and there should be a stern announcement about taking advantage like this).

Instead, they swept it under the table, and taught EVERYONE that "exploit early, exploit often" is the smart thing to do...

[LazarusPossum]

anyone who nabbed a stellar 3.75 interest rate on your mortgage recently should also be banned... taking advantage of the financing system like that... geez, you haxor.

LOL...funny 'cuz it's true-to-life.

[jwdaniels]

I am talking about making the plat from the event dowsing rods solely. What you could do to remedy the situation is up all quest loot by 5 times or something of that nature for the 3 day period that the offenders are banned.

If only they had concurrently added a loot, exp, and renown bonus for people that didn't run the event...