Reduce plat of those who took advantage of the Dowsing rods:)

[Azonalanthious]

Your summary is not accurate.

I have no problem with what you did. I do have a problem with Turbine for letting such an easy and fast plat source get into the game when the AH fee and Haste pots are pretty much still the only plat sinks in the game.

Ahh, but you disqualified yourself from my statement -- you aren't complaining about those who made a lot of plat, you are complaining about turbine for letting us do it. Different categories. And even if that weren't the case, I did say 'pretty much everyone', not just 'everyone' anyways.

In my mind, there is a very sharp line between complaining that someone accomplished something (in this case made lots of plat), and complaining that something was a poor decision/design (letting us make lots of plat). I'm fine with the later -- I actually agree, it was probably a bad call on turbine's fault and I'm glad they took steps to address it, though I don't think having items that you could sell to make SOME plat was wrong, just the level of plat you could make. But the former case, which many folks seem to be focusing on, I've issues with. Someone (well, many someones) did well and made a lot of plat. GOOD FOR THEM. Congrats! I know of no post or comment or announcement that was made by Turbine saying 'this is wrong, don't do it'. I don't feel it was obvious that this was a mistake on their part -- it was a very limited time birthday event -- having a way to give lots of plat to players during something like that makes absolutely perfect sense to me and isn't something I would have ever questioned if it weren't for the forum drama about it. So I don't think that they should be looked at as doing something wrong for their success.

But I, for example, fit the 'got millions of plat' mentioned in the op (just barely, but 2 mil is millions), or the "100k in 3 days should be banned" that were both mentioned, even though I AM the kind of player the op talks about positively in his edit to his initial post -- I DO do options, I smash crates for potions and pocket change and am always pleased when I see a thrower pop up. And so on and so forth.

[Forzah]

This problem will solve itself as prices will go down again in a month.

[bryanmeerkat]

So I made loads of plat then traded it in for a ioun stone a bloodstone and some scales .

You gonna take the plat of the people I brought the stuff off ?

[Dysmetria]

The people that made that plat should not be banned. They were not exploiting. Turbine does not post exploits or changes to fix them in their patch notes or elsewhere, yet they did post about changing this event. They do lock and delete threads that talk about those exploits and yet this one and many like it are still here.

Selling dowsing rods for platinum was smply a special bonus for the fifth anniversary event. Doing so has been removed for future versions of the event as they will not be celebrating the fifth anniversary for those. Claiming it was an exploit or cheating or a mistake or oversite or whatever is ludicrous as poster after poster has pointed out.

[bryanmeerkat]

Selling dowsing rods for platinum was smply a special bonus for the fifth anniversary event.

Hehe I dont think any of us beleive this but at the same time it was an oversight on there part , getting rewards and selling those rewards is not against the rules and shouldnt be punished .

[cpito]

My biggest issue is people saying "Plat is worthless... Max plat is easy to get anyway".

If plat is worthless, please send all of yours to me.

(Hint: They won't do it, because plat is not worthless.)

Yep, plat still doesn't mean much and no, I won't send you any because I prefer to spend it on new players... the only people plat should really mean anything to for the purpose of buying self-sufficient necessities.

[Dysmetria]

Hehe I dont think any of us beleive this but at the same time it was an oversight on there part , getting rewards and selling those rewards is not against the rules and shouldnt be punished .

I could just as easily be correct as those that assume it was somehow an oversight that they failed to see even though it had been reported on Lammania long before the event started up on any of the real servers.

Until Turbine says otherwise no one will ever know for sure.

[ladyofevilness]

People who find loop holes should be banned, the people who coded the game in such a way creating the loops hole should be reviewed for sub par coding.

[bryanmeerkat]

People who find loop holes should be banned, the people who coded the game in such a way creating the loops hole should be reviewed for sub par coding.

this is nonsense I am afraid . Where is the line drawn ?

Is it a loophole to sell your end rewards from quests ?

Is it a loophole to farm epics for scrolls with no intention of completing ?

Is It a loophole to not complete Shroud and farm for mats ?

Is it a loophole to windowfarm ?

All these could be considered loopholes and not playing the game as intended , where one person draws the line may be different to another , and unless people are informed that something that is very simple to do and is part of normal game play is an exploit you cant punish them for it .

[Purgatory]

Yep, plat still doesn't mean much and no, I won't send you any because I prefer to spend it on new players... the only people plat should really mean anything to for the purpose of buying self-sufficient necessities.

what you mean it doesnt mean much?

i use plat all the time to mass items and collect things....or buy things to trade for things im collecting

plat has value it has plenty of value, deepends on how you use it.

If its on the ah, and i want it, i buy it = plat has value...

I'll need to replace that plat if i want to buy more stuff off the ah that i want.

[Thrudh]

3) Large ingredients, scales, ect are FREE. They cost nothing. If you want a large devil scale go run Shroud, Amrath or Devil Assault. If you want blue scales run Tor. Prices on the AH mean nothing - ESPECIALLY the top end prices. A large devil scale is worth exactly what you paid for it. If you agree to pay 2M plat for scales then that is what they are worth to you. Personally, I pay 0 plat for mine.

Look, I'll admit the economy will recover. That this wasn't a complete catastrophe. But the above is wrong. Large ingrediants do cost something. They cost time.

I used to be able to run the Shroud 10 times, pick up 0-2 large scales, and have enough plat from all the loot I sold to buy an extra large scale (400k plat or so). Now that prices are doubled, I gain less average scales per 10 runs.

There WAS an impact.

4) The dowsing rod prices are not a bug. It is not an exploit. They were valued rather highly for the effort it took to get them (and there was effort - see item 1) but nobody broke any rules when selling gems to get them and then selling the rods to vendors. Anyone who thinks this is an exploit also probably things Information is Key should only be worth 300XP. Or Wiz King should only be worth 3000XP. Should people be banned for farming XP from these quests? Some things have more value than others. Deal with it.

It was the scale. We're talking plat generation 50x faster than normal. If Wiz-king handed out 1,000,000 exp per run, I'm pretty sure everyone would consider that broken... (that's 50x 20k exp... Understand the magnitude of this mistake the devs made).

I guarentee though, there would be a bunch of you farming that quest and claiming "It can't be an exploit... I'm just completing a quest like normal!"

[Thrudh]

Yep, plat still doesn't mean much and no, I won't send you any because I prefer to spend it on new players... the only people plat should really mean anything to for the purpose of buying self-sufficient necessities.

Planar Gird and ice-cloak and firestorm greaves make me self-sufficient... Those cost plat.

Haste and Displacement clickables from the Shroud make me self-sufficient. I can buy the vale ingrediants for plat.

I still need plat... Not all my characters have Spectral Gloves or bloodstones... I'm still working on a few GS items... I could use plat for large devil scales.

I guarentee plat is not worthless for everyone... Even for people like me who have been around a while (but I don't power-game).

[Thrudh]

turbine didn't 'grow a pair' and mass ban people for exploiting.

they had a stupid script that mass banned/warned people for existing in the same area as someone who was detected as exploiting.

using that as an example of how to deal with things, if you were logged in and near a vendor while someone was selling wands, or if you were near euphonia while someone was trading for wands, or if you were in a group where someone killed anything in the crystal cove (or wilderness area) at all who then later went to trade in their doubloons for wands, you should also be banned and/or warned.

hopefully, you can see just how mind-numbingly stupid that policy would be. and that would be why turbine unbanned and unwarned people; because they looked at what happened and reached the obvious conclusion that proximity to someone who exploited is not grounds for banning. i would have hoped this would be easy for everyone to grasp, but apparently it isn't.

he said MOD 9, not update 9... He's talking about an exploit a couple of years ago where people learned they could talk to some guy in an explorer area over and over and get exp everytime... People leveled to 20 in a day using that...

Turbine banned a BUNCH of people... There was mass crying on this forum...

Most of us said, "Duh! Pretty obvious that was an exploit..." Others said, "NO way! We were just playing normally! Talking to the guy is not an exploit! Unfair to punish us for a dev mistake!"

I really expected this one to go the same way... Going from 1 to 20 in one day is obviously broken... Going from 0 plat to 4.3 million plat in a few hours is obviously broken. You guys are lucky... There was definitely a chance this could have been considered an exploit. Turbine decided it wasn't. They make the rules... and the Dude abides by their rules.

So no exploit this time. Be careful next time though.

(Edit: Of course, if you're careful, you may miss out on a great opportunity like THIS time... so you can be screwed if you take advantage, and screwed if you don't... don't you just LOVE Turbine's fully documented and transparent exploit policy?)

[eonfreon]

I don't care why or how people made more than they should be "allowed" to.

The fact is Turbine probably made a mistake. The fact that people took advantage of it is just human nature. Yes, it is Turbine's responsibility to out and out say if something can or can't be done, especially when it is something that can be done by so many people. They either should have said something or they should have done something.

To do anything punitive after the fact now would not be a good idea.

I can say this opinion as someone who didn't even hear about the dowsing rods and wouldn't have really cared anyway.

While yes, these events could "harm" me because all the prices have gone up but my personal wealth has not, therefore my ability to simply purchase items for convenience sake has gone down considerably.

The reason it doesn't bother me is because plat doesn't really drive the game for me. It is simply a shortcut to get some items quicker. Even though I am now "poor" in comparison, I am little affected because time to me is time playing a game. It's what I want to do anyway.

[patang01]

I rather have Turbine concentrate to getting u9 up on Lamannia and live in the beginning to mid April than chasing people who took advantage of a mess Turbine created themselves.

Shortly after people found out and just after the event ended mats were kind of inflated in the AH, but they're going down except for LDS which have always been absurdly priced. Now mats are down to normal pricing, which I think have more to do with supply (since people are playing shroud again) than plat inflation.

What I've noticed is also that some people can now afford to buy stuff I'm auctioning away. For the same price I did before. I bought a raven's sight scroll for 700k - I had the money (not because i sold any rods just been frugal). maybe that was way overpriced but I had the money, wanted the item and it was rare enough for me to see it in the AH.

I've also spent about 200-300 on mats to make another green steel item, all those mats priced as they used to be.

The only things that doesn't seem to go down are LDS. Don't know why - but everything else seems to be reaching and have reached reasonable levels.

[bigolbear]

And what about those of us who played the event properly in the spirit of the event and simply cashed in the left overs afterwards?

I ran it with my guildies, i ran it in pugs, i lead teams and i followed. I played all the roles and developed the tactics for my self.
I made a total of 37 items in that event (most tier 1 some 2 and 3).
Towards the end of the event i sold my remaining gems and dubloons and traded them in for plat via the highest value items available - the rods.
I also made gass bombs and sumoning gems.

I came out with about 1 mil plat but i truly did play the event as it was intended, i dont feel i exploited anything so should i be punished for cashing in my leftovers? The simple fact that the devs chose to associate a plat value with the event items gave us the option of playing the event for plat rather than items.

Imagine if you will how much those 37 items would cost in plat on the AH before the event, now compare that to how much plat people made. im guessing the items would be worth many times more than the plat cap if they were unbound and sellable.

Please consider that the items i made there have meant that i will not be looking for explensive items to fill those slots. (bloodstones, ioun stones etc)

Whichever reward you chose (items or plat) the event was one massive giveaway and has effected both supply and demand in numerous ways.

I'd also like to point out that if i had made the choice to grind the hell out of inspired quarter, the vale and shavarath until i hit ransack i could have made that character up to the plat cap simply from selling the trash loot to brokers in the time the event was on. Not my playstyle but im well aware that if i ever NEED plat its easily attainable.

[Vint]

he said MOD 9, not update 9... He's talking about an exploit a couple of years ago where people learned they could talk to some guy in an explorer area over and over and get exp everytime... People leveled to 20 in a day using that...

Turbine banned a BUNCH of people... There was mass crying on this forum...

Most of us said, "Duh! Pretty obvious that was an exploit..." Others said, "NO way! We were just playing normally! Talking to the guy is not an exploit! Unfair to punish us for a dev mistake!"

I really expected this one to go the same way... Going from 1 to 20 in one day is obviously broken... Going from 0 plat to 4.3 million plat in a few hours is obviously broken. You guys are lucky... There was definitely a chance this could have been considered an exploit. Turbine decided it wasn't. They make the rules... and the Dude abides by their rules.

So no exploit this time. Be careful next time though.

(Edit: Of course, if you're careful, you may miss out on a great opportunity like THIS time... so you can be screwed if you take advantage, and screwed if you don't... don't you just LOVE Turbine's fully documented and transparent exploit policy?)

Thakns for being concerned about my soul. I see this as you didnt do it because you were scared that you would get banned. Now that everyone has made trillions of plat your pi$$ed off that you didnt get in on it. I could be completely wrong and you are the true second coming. Either way thank you for the advanced warning.

[Entelech]

Almost nothing makes an rpg more boring to play than having a ton of money. If you can easily buy anything you want you have nothing to work for anymore.

I disagree.

In EverQuest and DDO, the two MMORPG's I've extensively played, platinum was worthless except for starting new lowbies or for buying consumables. The real gear is still something you earn, and after you've been a broke lowbie on your first two or three characters, being a broke lowbie is far more of an issue than the ennui caused by a swimming pool of platinum in your portable hole.

[Dysmetria]

I see this as you didnt do it because you were scared that you would get banned. Now that everyone has made trillions of plat your pi$$ed off that you didnt get in on it.

That is how I see most of the people uselessly whining about this nonissue as well. I didn't even plat cap any of my characters during the event, but I sure have made many millions of plat since off those that did, and all these people that feel they missed out or chose to not partake during the event could have since as well.

[IronClan]

Thakns for being concerned about my soul. I see this as you didnt do it because you were scared that you would get banned. Now that everyone has made trillions of plat your pi$$ed off that you didnt get in on it. I could be completely wrong and you are the true second coming. Either way thank you for the advanced warning.

Wow what a great job of completely missing his point, almost have to intentionally miss it to miss it that badly.

But again the people who are most defensive about this issue have their reasons to be defensive I guess