Reduce plat of those who took advantage of the Dowsing rods:)

[tkrenaud]

It appears that those who play the game a lot (and thus probably have most of the gear they need) got even more wealthy as a result of the Dowsing Rods epidemic. So why not reduce the plat of those who so obviously got millions of plat selling the rods? I wouldn't be averse to a complete wipeout of any plat acquired by selling dowsing rods. I realize this is not realistic but perhaps the mere thought of it as a possibility will discourage future conduct of this sort.

Those who play less spent the time in the event getting stuff to make a piece of gear (or two). While those who had oodles of time used the time to take advantage of an obvious oversight. As a result now those who actually use the auction house to buy an item they need (that they don't have the time to spend farming said item) can't afford the item because those who took advantage of the oversight are now willing to spend more plat on item(s) (which incidentally they probably already have on numerous alts).

Fixing the oversight by eliminating future selling is hardly going to remedy those who now suffer from the inflated prices caused by the oversight. I am sure you can come up with a more creative solution... you know who took advantage either even the playing field by taking away from them or conversely doing something for those who didn't/couldn't take advantage.

I have been playing since the game went live and will continue but I am disappointed by your solution, generally you have been much better about fixing such mistakes...

P.S. In the spirit of offering realistic solutions... how about rewarding those who didn't dump their gems etc into dowsing rods by creating a new Broker- the broker could give out some type of clickie or item to those who still have stuff leftover from the event. Supposedly the event is coming back, so that would only be feasible if the event did not come back or if it could be implemented before the event did return...




UPDATE:
Reading all the responses to my original post has got me thinking... I have always tried to keep an open mind - my philosophy on the majority of "life's dilemmas" has been I am x years old, if the best thinkers throughout history haven't found the answer, I would be arrogant to think in my short life I have. That being said, I can see everyone's point. I agree with some and disagree with some. One thing I apparently neglected to mention is that the "oversight" (selling of dowsing rods for massive amounts of plat in an extremely short amount of time) has NOT in any way impacted my playstyle or the game I play in general. I have been playing since the games release and though I do not have any plat capped characters (more because I never sell anything and would prefer to give to someone who needs it), I have logged enough hours to get any gear that I deem necessary for any of my 32 characters. I NEVER buy anything off the AH. I NEVER sell anything in the AH.

So why this thread? I was struck by the fact that so many people were openly talking about this oversight. SO many people were talking in general chat about how plat is worthless, how they got rich during the event, or how the AH prices were higher (or even double). It got me thinking. Remember when you acquired your first frost or fire weapon? Some of us even remember when +5 full plate was an aspiration not merely vendor fodder. I have been rereading some of my older TSR novels and it struck me how in the books when a wizard cast a fireball it was looked upon with awe by all around. For those of us who played (or play) pen and paper we saw this firsthand from our DM and the various modules we ran. It seems that the game has moved very much away from that. Now granted it is an online game and they do need to make the game interesting to keep up the revenue... But somewhere along the line I stopped meeting people who enjoyed the spirit of ddo. The groups I run with both high and low are oftentimes intent on getting to the end of the quest or even running through the quest for the xp then either moving on to a quest with more xp or repeating the quest ad nauseum for the xp. Too many times I see people excluded from a group because he/she has a character that doesn't conform with an expected build-type. Recently someone posted that he/she would boot someone if they used a paralyzer in Shavarath instead of a Vorpal.

Perhaps I am alone in my view. I see the casual player base and the hardcore players getting further and further apart. The event just seemed to exacerbate that. The gap between those who enjoy working for what they have and those who expect every character to have a certain set of skills or items is widening. How many people actually do the optional parts of quests? How many players actually break the crates hoping for a nice potion or returning thrower to drop? I understand we all play this game for different reasons, but so far ddo has resisted the plethora of gold farmers, account hackers, capped character sellers, etc. that plague other games. I hope the game can uphold the spirit of D&D as envisioned by Gygax et al.


LAST POST: well human nature is to go in with a view and retract what you need to bolster your point and this thread has proven that once again... I had hoped people would step back and view the entire game and its future but instead people seem to only care about how it impacts them.

[voodoogroves]

... and give them all the materials used right?

Gems -> dubloons -> sellable items -> plat


So give them all gems, then they can craft a bunch of non-sellable stuff to re-zero things. If not, all you've done is penalized the folks who made some bank and uplifted the plat values of those who didn't. You didn't equalize, you've see-sawed.

[skwatson]

While I dislike the effects on the in-game economy created by the wand selling debacle...

I cannot envision a feasible way to 'recall' all of that plat for multiple reasons. The easiest one is to envision a character that made 700K plat, had 300K plat and used the combined sum to buy a heavily inflation +2 con tome, ate the tome, and now has 100K plat from subsequent questing....

How would we expect Turbine to "fairly" redistribute the effects of having to undo this type of event????

[jwdaniels]

It appears that those who plat the game a lot (and thus probably have most of the gear they need) got even more wealthy as a result of the Dowsing Rods epidemic. So why not reduce the plat of those who so obviously got millions of plat selling the rods? I wouldn't be averse to a complete wipeout of any plat acquired by selling dowsing rods.

Those who play less spent the time in the event getting stuff to make a piece of gear (or two). While those who had oodles of time used the time to take advantage of an obvious oversight. As a result now those who actually use the auction house to buy an item they need (that they don't have the time to spend farming said item) can't afford the item because those who took advantage of the oversight are now willing to spend more plat on item(s) (which incidentally they probably already have on numerous alts).

Fixing the oversight by eliminating future selling is hardly going to remedy those of us who now suffer from the inflated prices caused by the oversight. I am sure you can come up with a more creative solution... you know who took advantage either even the playing field by taking away from them or conversely doing something for those of us who didn't/couldn't take advantage.

I have been playing since the game went live and will continue but I am disappointed by your solution, generally you have been much better about fixing such mistakes...

The two largest flaws with your argument are that you assume there is rampant AH inflation going on, and from what I can see this is not the case, and you also assume that people who play a lot and farmed a lot of plat actually need it for anything.

If you have all the plat you need, doubling it doesn't really do anything for you. Also, just because you have 1,000,000 plat doesn't mean you're going to spend it on a large devil scale for no reason. Finally, every AH transaction takes a 30% cut of the plat out of the economy. All it takes is a handful of transactions (and there may have been an initial spike in prices) to correct the problem.

[Khanyth]

No.

This is a "problem" that will "fix" itself in due time. No reason to take dev time away from more pressing legit problems that the game has

[Shaamis]

No, what Turbine has done is simply teach those that if you are going to take advantage of a miscalculation in game, dont let grass grow under your feet. Don't expect them to continue to let it slide.

There are only two kinds of people in this world......the quick and the dead.

Better be Quick!

P.S. I was not able to take advantage of it, because even though I heard about it, was still skeptical, and felt as if the banhammer was going to fall.

I guess that technology that was responsible for the mabar banning incident hasnt been perfected enough, OR since it was never really labeled as an ex-ploit they felt it couldnt be a bannable defense.

Long Story: gotta be quick to take the short-cuts in DDO.

I have thousands of doubloons to spend so I'll see what I can do with them if it comes around again.

[Chai]

The measure already in place - making dowsing rods worthless - is already the best thing they can do. Most people who capped their plat and then filled their inventory with more rods are finding out they now have inventories full of worthless rods. But hey, they can open up the next 1500 locked chests or so.....

Its now a matter of how quickly the plat sinks in place can take the previous rod farmed money out of the economy.

[KillEveryone]

Just because someone spent less time in the event doesn't mean they actually worked for gear.

Some may have just gotten the dagger with lesser maximise and didn't like the looks of other stuff...mostly because of incorrect descriptions...so they decided to make some plat for their haste/rage pots habit while only spending maybe 8 hours on the last night of the event.

Just deal with the extra plat.

/not signed.

[Qezuzu]

While I dislike the effects on the in-game economy created by the wand selling debacle...

I cannot envision a feasible way to 'recall' all of that plat for multiple reasons. The easiest one is to envision a character that made 700K plat, had 300K plat and used the combined sum to buy a heavily inflation +2 con tome, ate the tome, and now has 100K plat from subsequent questing....

How would we expect Turbine to "fairly" redistribute the effects of having to undo this type of event????

Indeed. I personally made around 1.1m from the event, but now that (and 900k of legit cash) has gone to someone who posted an epic scroll (gem of many factes) on the AH. The Gem is now crafted.

Don't bork players up by trying to retrace and recall all the plat. We had an inflation of plat, and an inflation of prices. The inflation of plat has been stopped, but we still have the inflation of prices. The AH tax is taking more plat out of the game than usual because of this.

Just let the system work itself back together. Turbine learned from this mistake (hopefully). Don't suggest they waste time, labor and money to "fix" it when said time, labor and money can be put elsewhere. Like U8: patch 26.

[Darlor]

On my server the AH price of major ingredients (e.g. large devil scales) roughly doubled towards the end of the event - by now they're almost back to normal. Price of epic scrolls seem not to have changed, though that might be because they're normally traded for other scrolls/ingredients, rather than platinum.

Many of the more active players already have multiple platinum-capped toons. I really just don't see how this incident results in anything more than a temporary inflation of currency.

[lugoman]

Almost nothing makes an rpg more boring to play than having a ton of money. If you can easily buy anything you want you have nothing to work for anymore.

[ladyzerlynda14]

The measure already in place - making dowsing rods worthless - is already the best thing they can do. Most people who capped their plat and then filled their inventory with more rods are finding out they now have inventories full of worthless rods. But hey, they can open up the next 1500 locked chests or so.....

Its now a matter of how quickly the plat sinks in place can take the previous rod farmed money out of the economy.

Is this really any different then people who sold the new spell scrolls for a mill when they first came out. It is all about supply and demand. I remember the day I could make a good living of sell deadly feaverblanches that dried up when the change of many of the more pricey mushroom (purple ones) with pink ones in the most quests. Delera's for example. This raised the prices of drowshoods but killed the deadly market.

[KongColeus]

this would be like the Mayban Event.

You would be penalizing the players that were innocent because maybe they bought more than they wanted. SOrt of like how 99% of us did the Mabar event but were unlucky to be in the same group, or play at the same time?, as an exploiter and thereby we were exploiters even though we still have no clue what the whole thing was about.

And you know the players that did abuse the system they are the same ones that abused the Mabar event. The same ones that basically do all the exploits. That is they way those players play.

As far as for me, the players that did it, used the way the game was designed at the time. Good for them. I preferred to run quests to find loot and use the bonus EXP.

Turbine just needs to do a better job of thinking outside the box. It really is not the difficult.

[Thrudh]

My biggest issue is people saying "Plat is worthless... Max plat is easy to get anyway".

If plat is worthless, please send all of yours to me.

(Hint: They won't do it, because plat is not worthless.)

[voodoogroves]

The measure already in place - making dowsing rods worthless - is already the best thing they can do. Most people who capped their plat and then filled their inventory with more rods are finding out they now have inventories full of worthless rods. But hey, they can open up the next 1500 locked chests or so.....

Its now a matter of how quickly the plat sinks in place can take the previous rod farmed money out of the economy.

Spot on.

I dare say plenty of those bought things also - which sent the plat to other people. So to unwind we'd have to send back what they got, dock the funds of people who sold things on the AH, figure out some way to rebalance vendor-purchases, etc.

This is what Turbine can do to fix it long-term, and its better than nothing.

[chrisgina39]

the only way to balance it out is to convert it back to how it was aka let us sell them again so everyone can take advantage of it or to delete everyone's chars and make us all restart neither sound like a good idea to me

so lets just move on

[Thrudh]

Oh, and large devil scales are still about twice as expensive as before the CC event...

I'm still waiting patiently to see if they ever go back down.

[maddmatt70]

Just ban everybody that accumulated more then 100k plat for 3 days and give the other people some plat or a way to earn easy plat for 3 days. Even if a third of the game gets banned for 3 days oh well. What they did was wrong and might as well let the other people make some money those three days.

[dior10276]

I jump for coins and sell kits and made items each and every time the Ice Festival comes along. I have made between 1,000,000 and 2,000,000 plat during and after each event. I have used that money to buy ingredients each and every time.

What should be done there? Are we at fault for using the devices of this game to make a profit in order to buy the things that we wish for in game use? I think not!!

The system's economy will work it self out in due time. Or, maybe we could get Greenspan to come in and offer some advice and constraints to keep the economy growing without overheating like 2008. LOL

[Ziindarax]

It appears that those who plat the game a lot (and thus probably have most of the gear they need) got even more wealthy as a result of the Dowsing Rods epidemic. So why not reduce the plat of those who so obviously got millions of plat selling the rods? I wouldn't be averse to a complete wipeout of any plat acquired by selling dowsing rods.

Those who play less spent the time in the event getting stuff to make a piece of gear (or two). While those who had oodles of time used the time to take advantage of an obvious oversight. As a result now those who actually use the auction house to buy an item they need (that they don't have the time to spend farming said item) can't afford the item because those who took advantage of the oversight are now willing to spend more plat on item(s) (which incidentally they probably already have on numerous alts).

Fixing the oversight by eliminating future selling is hardly going to remedy those of us who now suffer from the inflated prices caused by the oversight. I am sure you can come up with a more creative solution... you know who took advantage either even the playing field by taking away from them or conversely doing something for those of us who didn't/couldn't take advantage.

I have been playing since the game went live and will continue but I am disappointed by your solution, generally you have been much better about fixing such mistakes...

Uh no, how about leaving people alone?

Turbine can't even keep track of items crafted in this game (Asteroids nuking Greensteel/epic weapons anyone? [note, I haven't personally suffered any such loss, but I know plenty who have]); Lord knows what would happen if they try to wipe the platinum... and possibly end up wiping EVERYTHING off the character including the legitimately obtained loot/rare items.

Seriously, Turbine already implemented a patch to stop further repeats of the selling of Dowsing rods.

A player's personal in-game wealth will NOT have ANY impact on your ability to play the game. Stop trying to lobby for the dev's to ruin the game for everyone else just because YOU don't like the way CC turned out in the first run.


Also, the prices on the Auction House HAVE gone down; no one sells stuff at the prices you're trying to claim, not any more. The Large shroud mats and epic scrolls have always been ridiculously expensive (and that includes the metalline pure good weapons too).