Warchanter build!

[FraNs]

What do you guys think about that full Bard 20 build?

Thank you!

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Dorthe 
Level 20 Chaotic Good Human Female
(20 Bard) 
Hit Points: 262
Spell Points: 942 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 13
Reflex: 18
Will: 12

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 20                   20
Dexterity            14                 16                   16
Constitution         14                 17                   18
Intelligence         12                 14                   14
Wisdom                8                 10                   10
Charisma             16                 20                   26

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                    26
Bluff                 3                    22
Concentration         6                    27
Diplomacy             7                    32
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                7                    32
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                  2                     3
Intimidate            3                    13
Jump                  7                    28
Listen               -1                     0
Move Silently         2                     3
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               7                    32
Repair                1                     2
Search                1                     2
Spot                 -1                     0
Swim                  3                     5
Tumble                6                    26
Use Magic Device      7                    35

  Notable Equipment 
+5 Twilight Mithral Chain Shirt 
Dexterous Gloves 
Boots of Tumbling
Charismatic Ring
+5 Holy Burst Bastard Sword of Pure Good
+5 Heavy Mithral Steel Shield
Clever Goggles
Health Belt
Cloak of Protection
Ogre Power Ring
Bandana of Steady Spellcasting
Necklace of Haggling
Pearl of Power X
Armored Bracers

Level 1 (Bard)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
Feat: (Human Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I


Level 2 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I


Level 3 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I


Level 4 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song II
Enhancement: Human Versatility II


Level 5 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Charisma I


Level 6 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Bardic Dilettante
Enhancement: Bard Charisma II


Level 7 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I


Level 8 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II


Level 9 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery III


Level 10 (Bard)
Enhancement: Human Versatility III


Level 11 (Bard)
Enhancement: Human Versatility IV


Level 12 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter II


Level 13 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song III
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I


Level 14 (Bard)


Level 15 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III
Enhancement: Bard Charisma III


Level 16 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II


Level 17 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music III


Level 18 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song IV


Level 19 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music IV


Level 20 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Musical Prodigy
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery II
Enhancement: Bard Wand Heightening I

[BoBoDaClown]

So your build seems to lack focus.

What do you want your bard to do:
Melee? Need Str and Con. You only need dex if TWF. You may want TWF or THF feats. Lower charisma (8-14). Level ups into str.
CC? Max Cha. Level ups charisma. Good con. Heighten Quicken Spell Focus/Past Life Feats Spell Pen.
Heal? Maximise and/or Empower Healing. Quicken.

You can normally aim to fulfill two of the above rolls.

Regardless, Mental Toughness and UMD are wasted feats.

The fact that you have bard past life selected makes me think you want to do some CC, but that isn't going to happen without some serious feat and stat investment.

So what do you think you want your focus to be?

[karl_k0ch]

To emphasize the focus question, I'll just leave that here:

The Bard Build Spectrum:

You're going to get a lot of advice and most of it conflicting. Bards are very personal builds. Not like Barbarians or whatever... and there's still lots of discussion there.

Before you roll ANY kind of Bard, decide what you want to do with it.

1. Crowd control SPELLS
2. Heal
3. Fascinate and buff
4. Melee THF
5. Melee TWF

Every Bard is good at #3. Now, the closer you get to either end of the spectrum I just posted, the harder it will be to do things at the other end of the spectrum well.

If your first priority aim is the best Crowd Control spells, that's very specialized on a Bard. If your aim is two-weapon fighting at 5. that's really specialized and you won't be able to afford all the feats or stats to do 1. or 2. as effectively as a Bard that decides to specialize in 1. or 2.

What's this? Specialization? On a Bard, the Jack of All Trades?

Yes. Generalist doesn't work so well in DDO, it's a min-max environment. So we gotta build our Bards a little different than in pen and paper or other D&D games.

1. or 2. you build a Spellsinger, max out Charisma, and only put enough in STR to not get enfeebled easily.
3. The best fascinate is Enthrall, which is only available to Virtuoso (which doesn't get much love because it's special song is more oriented for soloing or 6-man parties than for raids)
4. Two-handed fighting makes for a melee Bard that has room in the feat list for some feats to support healing.
5. Two-weapon fighting takes a lot of investment into feats and starting stats, and doesn't leave you much room for much else.

Some people build Warchanters with the same build stats as I'd build a for aims 1. or 2. but the Spellsinger gets extra DCs for spells over a Warchanter. So Warchanters are more suited to melee bards and Spellsingers for CC/healing bards.

And point you toward the thread where this quote is coming from, namely the bard primer linked in my sig.

[FraNs]

I want a melee bard, with some CC and high UMD, so I will be able to use Ress Scrolls!

I dont want to get level in other class... I really enjoy full level builds...

[karl_k0ch]

I want a melee bard, with some CC and high UMD, so I will be able to use Ress Scrolls!

Do you want more CC than Otto's Irresistable and Fascinate?

[cru121]

alignment: neutral

skills: bluff, diplomacy, tumble, intimidate is usually not needed (drop int to 8)

equip:
replace twilight chain shirt with mithral full plate
boots of tumbling - no
mithral heavy shield has 5% ASF (FYI)
clever goggles - no
armored bracers - no

feats:
decide what your bard should do
at the very least, move toughness to 1 and skill focus umd to 18

enhancements:
Energy of the Music - no
extra song iv - no
wand heightening - no
human cha+bard cha III - why with 16 starting cha? it's either 18 or dump it
get:
toughness
inspired attack iii

[Luckness]

If you don't have 3 bard past lives already, don't build for it. Make it a 32 point build.

You can max strength on this build and still do everything you want with a warchanter. (Alternatively, you could max out CHA and play a spellsinger, but you cannot max out both and should not neglect to max either.)

Your strength: 18 base + 2 tome + 5 ability increases + 1 human adaptability + 6 item = 32. You will want to get it even higher with exceptional STR items.

This leaves you with 16 build points to split between CON and CHA. Two good options here:
16 CON (10 points) / 14 CHA (6 points)
17 CON (13 points) / 11 CHA (3 points)

Even starting with 8 CHA, a pure bard will get 20 CHA between +6 item, capstone, +2 tome, and Charisma II enhancements. Starting with more CHA lets you drop the item and some of the enhancements from your build and still reach 16 CHA to cast spells; alternatively, it just gives you more CHA for spell points. A common goal is to be "Disjunction-proof" (able to cast spells without item bonuses due to a debuff), and you can get there with 11 base + 2 tome + 2 capstone + 1 charisma enhancement = 16 CHA.

Starting with 17 CON gives you 17 base + 2 tome + 1 adaptability + 6 item + 2 exceptional CON item = 28 CON. Using human adaptability Constitution will unlock Racial Toughness III as well.

[Mangloid]

I want a melee bard, with some CC and high UMD, so I will be able to use Ress Scrolls!

I dont want to get level in other class... I really enjoy full level builds...

The following builds are proven and will both do what you want:

Elizabella- a charisma-based warchanter http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=159539

Roq Star- a pure 2wf battlebard http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=177657


Most of the builds that people want are already posted and vetted on the forums. It just takes a few moments to search for them.