Why being accepted to any pug group is a privilege, not a right.

[Shade]

Been getting way too many tells lately from players who really don't seem to understand the LFM system, or pugs in general. So let me clear some things up that some players just may not get often when looking at the LFM panel:

It is not your god given right to automatically join and instantly be accepted to every LFM on the Khyber server. If you are not accepted, either send a tell to request why, or forget about it and move on.

The system is there for convince of forming groups, not to make allow for complete random grouping without thought or consequence.

Especially annoying lately are people signing up who do not even meet the LFM requirements. Originally DDO did not even allow you to do this, I wish it never changed. But it has, and we have to work with it:

First off - understand why players set specifically classes in LFM - they reason is usually very very simple:
They are looking for that specific class(s) and not anything else.
- Trying to infer anything further is just silly - you can't read minds, you don't know for sure, so don't make assumptions.

No it's not because they "NEED" X class to win because they are a bad player. It's not because they think it would be cool too only have X class. And whatever the 100% deep down reason it might be, ultimately is really none of your business.

If you really feel despite the fact that you do not match the LFM requirements you would contribute to said group, why not be plosive and proactive instead of negative and useless?
Too many tells of this variety
"Oh you {expletive deleted} Axer! You are such a bad player and because you set your LFM to X class, I'm going to insult you, and be upset I can't join"
Instead of this variety:
"Hey Axer, I see your running XXX quest, I know your LFM doesn't have my class listed, but I am X class and feel I could contribute well on your quest if you'd like to invite me along"

Whenever I get tells of the first variety: I squelch the player.
Whenever I get tells of the second variety: I invite the player to group.

Think before you act. Understand that we pug group leaders are players just like yourself and we want to win the quests, and we want the quests to go smoothly.

We set LFM class requirements not because we "NEED" (very strong word that should not be used) X class, or we dislike X class. It's set because that's what were looking for. That's what we feel at the time, would allow for a good and smooth completion of the quest.

Could I just be a random leader, and always accept everyone all the time no matter what and hope for the best?
Sure. I could. But there are lots of other leaders that do that already, they fill that role quite nicely.

Will I instead qualify players, and set requirements to my groups to ensure I maintain a 99.9% success rate on all my raids and quests I lead?
Absolutely.

Will I let you join my group despite not meeting the LFM requirements?
If your polite and ask me too, I probably will.
If your rude and insult me, certainly not. I will also squelch you.

[Antheal]

Is this about melee classes in Epic quests?

[Shade]

Is this about melee classes in Epic quests?

No it's more of a general thing. I get tells for my standard epic lfm often sure, but I get the same variety for my raids and my standard normal/hard/elite questing as well.

[Chris79]

I agree with OP.

Also, I've been increasingly annoyed at party leaders who don't click 'refuse' when the request comes up. I don't mind not being accepted, maybe you don't want another monk jonesing your monk loot, maybe a WF touched you inappropriately while you were sleeping. I don't care. Just have the decency to click refuse so I can look for another PUG and not wonder if I'm getting in or not.

Simple courtesy.

/rant off

[NinjaNeed]

I agree with OP.

Also, I've been increasingly annoyed at party leaders who don't click 'refuse' when the request comes up. I don't mind not being accepted, maybe you don't want another monk jonesing your monk loot, maybe a WF touched you inappropriately while you were sleeping. I don't care. Just have the decency to click refuse so I can look for another PUG and not wonder if I'm getting in or not.

Simple courtesy.

/rant off

This^^

People list a LFM for whatever quest THEY want to do and it is up to them who they except. But please please please click "refuse" if you dont want me.

[Trunk-Monkey]

/agreed.

... gotta love the people that take personal offense to not being accepted into a group.

[Limey]

As an avid lfm tart:

When I click join, I wait about 10 secs, if no response I click another lfm. Then the system joins you to whoever presses accept sooner. No waiting around.

Also I often "push the envelope" when it makes sense. Like "Shroud normal 18-20". My level 17 toons always apply and so far, always get accepted.

I never complain if I get rejected, but I see so many weird LFMs like "Need DPS" but they only list fighter,pally and barb. Really? So rangers and rogues are not dps? I clicked on an lfm like this for Genesis Point with my recently capped rogue and I had 5x the kills of anyone (not saying kill chart is everything)

There was even a BYOH shroud recently, love to know how that went, I didn't have the grapenuts to try it out.

My point is for every "joiner" who being a bit dumb there is a group leader.

[MartinusWyllt]

I agree with the OP such that I even wait to click the LFM until I'm close to the quest entrance. Raids that don't have many people in them yet being the exception.

Since I appreciate being accepted I respect the group I'm joining enough to be ready to enter soon after entry. This means I miss some, but at least I'm not holding anyone else up. (I'm also not bothered by waiting for others to get there, this is my personal rule that I don't hold others to...unless, of course, the LFM was of the "in progress" variety.)

[Unreliable]

Your being pretty strict here...

Sometimes even if my class isn't available I will click the Lfm and people will either accept or tell me they already have a healer, etc.

I simply say ok thanks anyway, but people are open to accepting more then what they normally do of people are good players, I don't think it makes you a bad person to try to join a group with your class slot down, just know that if they do decline you they probably have a better reason then the typical not accepting but not clicking decline fool who you think if they are sqeulching you :P

[azrael4h]

I never complain if I get rejected, but I see so many weird LFMs like "Need DPS" but they only list fighter,pally and barb. Really? So rangers and rogues are not dps? I clicked on an lfm like this for Genesis Point with my recently capped rogue and I had 5x the kills of anyone (not saying kill chart is everything)

I've seen a few Shrouds which advertised for dps and had only Fighters and Barbarians listed. :roll:

First 5/11 and go, unless it requires something specific. Then I'll reserve a spot.

[robinfu]

I agree with OP.

Also, I've been increasingly annoyed at party leaders who don't click 'refuse' when the request comes up. I don't mind not being accepted, maybe you don't want another monk jonesing your monk loot, maybe a WF touched you inappropriately while you were sleeping. I don't care. Just have the decency to click refuse so I can look for another PUG and not wonder if I'm getting in or not.

Simple courtesy.

/rant off

/signed totally.

[Emizand]

Is it only me who finds the terms 'spaz' and 'spazing out' offensive?

[MrWizard]

I agree with OP.

Also, I've been increasingly annoyed at party leaders who don't click 'refuse' when the request comes up. I don't mind not being accepted, maybe you don't want another monk jonesing your monk loot, maybe a WF touched you inappropriately while you were sleeping. I don't care. Just have the decency to click refuse so I can look for another PUG and not wonder if I'm getting in or not.

Simple courtesy.

/rant off

gotta disagree with you here. As someone who is a pug leader a lot the idea of rejecting someone is like giving someone a 'no thank you wave' while driving. It is the start of major drama, possible endless tells of abuse, etc...The other driver thinks you gave them the bird, or a FU, etc..and then road rage, same with tells.

Or you have to have a 3 to 15 /tell conversation why you did not want that barbarian while only looking for a cleric....multiplied by 10 others who are too stupid to read the LFM.

In some cases, tell someone and then decline them...courtesy is nice...in most cases you are looking for a black eye and a horrid time.

They should have a 'unjoin' button though. You hit join and wait 5, then unjoin.


There have been times I went to the bathroom and came back to find 8 people waiting....and about 12 angry tells demanding I either let some of them in or decline them.

To h#ck with that, drama like that is unneeded in my life....'squelch'.


or better yet, a 2 minute timer that tells you 'your request to join has timed out, please join again if interested' instead of leaving people who will actually wait that long hanging.

[DogMania]

There have been times I went to the bathroom and came back to find 8 people waiting....and about 12 angry tells demanding I either let some of them in or decline them.

To h#ck with that, drama like that is unneeded in my life....'squelch'.


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Well if u had passed the star to another player while you were AFK you would have avoided the problem, DUH Why did I not think of that?

[ddobard1]

Will I instead qualify players, and set requirements to my groups to ensure I maintain a 99.9% success rate on all my raids and quests I lead?
Absolutely.

Each Party's Leader has the right to set how many melee Heroes in it. But at least it's weird to restrict the Party to one and only one melee for any Adventure.

Again it's Turbine fault for making quests with 99.9% success rate. Make quests where at some given random moments heavy ranged damage (1200) is shared between all the melees!

[DrenglisEU]

It's better to get the "not accepted" message instead of not getting anything. Faster for me to move forward if not accepted. And no big drama there.

[crimsonknights2]

I agree with OP.

Also, I've been increasingly annoyed at party leaders who don't click 'refuse' when the request comes up. I don't mind not being accepted, maybe you don't want another monk jonesing your monk loot, maybe a WF touched you inappropriately while you were sleeping. I don't care. Just have the decency to click refuse so I can look for another PUG and not wonder if I'm getting in or not.

Simple courtesy.

/rant off

This. Nothing bugs me more than letting it hang. +1

[unfiguroutable]

Just have the decency to click refuse so I can look for another PUG and not wonder if I'm getting in or not.

Simple courtesy.

/rant off

if any one puts a request up without PMing me I let the timmer tick down and squelch the sender...i find your request for "courtesy" ironic.

[dkyle]

if any one puts a request up without PMing me I let the timmer tick down and squelch the sender...i find your request for "courtesy" ironic.

I think you misunderstand him. That sort of reaction is only befitting a blind invite. But that's not what he was referring to.

Or are you seriously squelching people for hitting your LFM without sending a tell?

[NaturalHazard]

I agree with OP.

Also, I've been increasingly annoyed at party leaders who don't click 'refuse' when the request comes up. I don't mind not being accepted, maybe you don't want another monk jonesing your monk loot, maybe a WF touched you inappropriately while you were sleeping. I don't care. Just have the decency to click refuse so I can look for another PUG and not wonder if I'm getting in or not.

Simple courtesy.

/rant off

why not apply to join other pugs that you might be interested in joining not just the one? The one that accepts you the fastest gets rewarded by getting first dibs on your uberness?