Why being accepted to any pug group is a privilege, not a right.

[unfiguroutable]

So you're saying that people that overreact to simple and largely irrelevant slights and ascribe to the perpetrators a lack of basic manners, self control, and ability to read and follow simple instructions, are in fact projecting their own faults and insecurities onto those others. Interesting theory.

No I am saying that your baseless assertions about my mental or emotional state say more about you than they do about me. This convo is over. welcome to iggy.

[Cauthey]

No I am saying that your baseless assertions about my mental or emotional state say more about you than they do about me. This convo is over. welcome to iggy.

Wow.

I was going to pose the same original question to you that DKyle did. I decided that I misread your post, and that no one would actually squelch someone for making use of the LFM grouping mechanism as it's intended to be used.

I guess I was wrong.

I'll send tells before I invite. That's plain, simple courtesy. But punishing someone for using the in-game tools for grouping is overboard.

I guess if you are such a person that cannot tolerate the use of said tools in a standard fashion without first getting a "mother may I" tell, then perhaps I'm better off getting added to your squelch list as I probably wouldn't enjoy grouping with you.

Lighten up, Francis.

[unfiguroutable]

I'll send tells before I invite. That's plain, simple courtesy. .

Thanks for agreeing with me.

It was my hope that this would end with my last post but since you chimed in I’ll throw up one more. I change none of my previous statements as they are true. I add that currently I have “ZERO” toons on ignore in game. I also add that I add toons to squelch very easily for offences ranging from un asked for group or guild invites, to lack of self control i.e. yelling or interrupts and yes even failure to PM for group invites if the LFM clearly states PST/PM. I also remove them every few days so. The slate gets “wiped clean” periodically. Lastly if me adding you to squelch is perceived as punishment…thanks for the laugh.

[Shade]

I asked my guild leader and many others.

No one knows the tap4black guy. I don't believe he is in our guild.

If he indeed is secertly in our guild with this anon forum account being as disrespctful as he is towards our guild officers... He will be found out and expelled from the guild for it.

We are all friends in the guild and we don't post disrepectful things about each other on the forum.

[DelverRootnose]

people who post LFM and in the text say something like 'need heals' and have 9-10 people in group and all the class icons lit. Then complain when one of the class of the class icons lit apply but are not of the healing type.

If all you want is healers then the only class icons marked as wanted should be healers. Don't whine that someone did not read your LFM if you send mixed messages.

[SardaofChaos]

In my experience Axer rarely runs anything outside end-game or epic.

When I go to lfm I normally take the first people available and switch to another character class if I feel I would like to minimize risks of things going wrong...

The way people run their lfm's personally have no bearing on anything ... is their lfm they use the lfm as they see fit. That's fine.




I am guilty of not sending out refusals. Typically such things happen when there are too many applicants and the party itself is edgy to get moving along... sending two or three pages of refusals vs selecting those last two or three people those you're accepting take priority. Such happen fewer these days as I rarely place up lfm's anymore.

You don't have to scroll through the chat, the LFM window will happily supply you with a list of pending requests to click deny in a neat and orderly fashion.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

It was my hope that this would end with my last post but since you chimed in I’ll throw up one more. I change none of my previous statements as they are true. I add that currently I have “ZERO” toons on ignore in game. I also add that I add toons to squelch very easily for offences ranging from un asked for group or guild invites, to lack of self control i.e. yelling or interrupts and yes even failure to PM for group invites if the LFM clearly states PST/PM. I also remove them every few days so. The slate gets “wiped clean” periodically. Lastly if me adding you to squelch is perceived as punishment…thanks for the laugh.

Cauthey most certainly was not agreeing with you. You said you squelch anyone and everyone who clicks on your LFM without having previously sent you a tell(we're not even going to go into the fact that PST isn't an intuitive acronym, or the number of LFM's that go up with PST TELL). Cauthey said they will always send a tell to a person before sending them an invite. The two are not nearly the same thing.

[MeliCat]

Then I'd be the first you can add to the list of known guildies that have you on the ignore list. I'd tell you in guild chat or on Vent but you are squelched..........

Oh yes - please tell me who you are?

You are forced to PUG because many of the folks in Free Companions, one of the largest and most active guilds on Khyber, are tired of your ego and refuse to join as you beg for folks to fill your LFM's.

Want to take a guess at how many folks in Free Companions have you squelched? Here's a clue, ALOT! You are nothing but a joke to many of us and a stain on the guild name.

We'll gladly take a random Norg led Epic group over a "let's babysit Axer so he can stroke his ego" run any day. The success rate is identical to your claimed rate of completion but everyone contributes and we have fun (mostly at your narrow-minded LFM's while we're going off to another raid.

Problem is for those of us in TFC who are not welcome into Norg's exclusive channel that we can't get into a lot of these raids/quests. I guess we're left with Axer's raids (or our own) because Prophets takes those from TFC they want and ignores the rest of us?

I am genuinely curious as to who in TFC has Axer squelched. I haven't detected any animosity but then I haven't particularly been looking for it. It's a pretty easy going conglomeration of players doing whatever at lots of levels.

Oh yeah, and I happily tell Axer off from time to time. I think 'autocrat' was a recent desciption. He wanted me to apologise for saying 'you suck' though. And for posting in guild when he died. Again.

(I'm in so much trouble now. )

[plural]

AGAIN!

You're the same person who slams us for doing speed runs because it doesn't help the newbs it excludes them and exludes them from learning.

Yet in the very statement above you say you specificaly put your LFMs they way they are to exclude newer melee players that might be undergeared. Really? How the F do you expect them to learn or get gear if they can't run the quest? Oh you don't, that's the point! You could care less about a newb or them getting any gear or learning so they can contribute. You only care about you and the gear you may get. One post you say help the newbs the next you say I omnit newbs but I'll bring a vet melee along.

I call you out on it and you duck the question, and as always turn it into I'm the uberest of the uber geeks on DDO reply. Nobody is as good as me so I don't need
anybody but me and my personal hirelings to complete a quest. They only reason you
wouldn't bring a whole group of hirelings along if the game would allow it. Is because you would have nobody to brag to during the quest about how uber you are.

Also stop filling you're ego. I've been out killed in plenty of quests when I was new to this game. Not once did I ever tap out and say "guys I'm going to bow out I just can't keep up". And I'm certain the the % of time I pug is greater than even the % of time as you pug because we've played the same amount of time, and unlike you I've never been in a guild. So I've pretty much pugged every quest for 5 years. That's 17 capped
toons all capped at least once, all with about 2K + in favor, and several of them Trd.
That's a ton of pugging. Guess what? Most of the time I'm smoking the kill count
too, but I never say anything about it to the players in the group. One thing I've never
heard. Is a single player say hey I need to bow out I'm just not able to keep up.

My guess is that you forced them to tap out. Why? Because all you do is talk the
whole time about how awesome you are and how all other melees are not near as good as you. Then yes, a newer player might feel worthless and bow out. Why? Because you made him/her feel worthless. The only other logical reason is that this was their way of being polite because they got tired of hearing how great you are from you as I
did. FYI the last 2 times I ran with you a VERY LONG time ago each of my rangers outkilled your barb both times only by a few but they did. Yet I still had to hear how
great you were the entire time. That's why I've never ran with you again. Yes I tapped
out but it wasn't from feeling like I couldn't contribute. It was because I couldn't take
the pain of hearing how great you are any longer.

This was too funny. Thanks for the chuckle.

The bottom line with this game is ummmm IT'S A GAME! The op treats this game like it's some sort of benchmark for life. Obviously the op needs to fill some sort of void and needs an atta boy to fill his ultra geek meter because his fushigi ball sessions are not satisfying enough.

I lead the kill count. I solo'd blah blah blah on elite on my melee. I frapped myself playing 5 against 1. Seriously frapping yourself playing this game?!?It would not surprise me in the least if the op makes the bald man puke while rewatching his own video of sins on elite.

I enjoy the game and consistently group with some of the best players that never once
have felt the need to brag about anything even though they have completed every stage of this game at it's highest level.

[Disavowed]

This was too funny. Thanks for the chuckle.

The bottom line with this game is ummmm IT'S A GAME! The op treats this game like it's some sort of benchmark for life. Obviously the op needs to fill some sort of void and needs an atta boy to fill his ultra geek meter because his fushigi ball sessions are not satisfying enough.

I lead the kill count. I solo'd blah blah blah on elite on my melee. I frapped myself playing 5 against 1. Seriously frapping yourself playing this game?!?It would not surprise me in the least if the op makes the bald man puke while rewatching his own video of sins on elite.

I enjoy the game and consistently group with some of the best players that never once
have felt the need to brag about anything even though they have completed every stage of this game at it's highest level.

+1 for hitting the nail on the head. I would give another +1 for the comedy portion as well if I could.

[Disavowed]

I asked my guild leader and many others.

No one knows the tap4black guy. I don't believe he is in our guild.

If he indeed is secertly in our guild with this anon forum account being as disrespctful as he is towards our guild officers... He will be found out and expelled from the guild for it.

We are all friends in the guild and we don't post disrepectful things about each other on the forum.

Everytime I get an invite on their ship and he's on there. I get a tell saying "who let the rat on our ship" I tell him rats are supposed to be on ships and to shut up before I find his bed and pee on it.

[Shade]

Oh yes - please tell me who you are?



Problem is for those of us in TFC who are not welcome into Norg's exclusive channel that we can't get into a lot of these raids/quests. I guess we're left with Axer's raids (or our own) because Prophets takes those from TFC they want and ignores the rest of us?

I am genuinely curious as to who in TFC has Axer squelched. I haven't detected any animosity but then I haven't particularly been looking for it. It's a pretty easy going conglomeration of players doing whatever at lots of levels.

Oh yeah, and I happily tell Axer off from time to time. I think 'autocrat' was a recent desciption. He wanted me to apologise for saying 'you suck' though. And for posting in guild when he died. Again.

(I'm in so much trouble now. )

Thanks mel. No one in TFC has me, or anyone else within TFC squelched.

Just ignore him and others who put our guild down. They are definetely not worth our time.

There are no cowards in TFC who won't come foward with the ingame name and talk about us like that. He is just a troll.

Disavoed, tap4black and many others are just some of my many fans. You put up a few youtube videos, run a lot of raids, and people become fans. It's happens. Some fans a bit fanatical. But hey - Any press is good press.

Re: Norgs raids. I'm not sure why thats relevant. He's 1 guy in a massive server. Sure he's as great and prolific raid leader.. But there are plenty of those on khyber to pick from. Being out of his exclusive "clique" shouldn't be a great concern imo.

Most of the guys from Prophets regularly join my raids and I really dont mind that im exlusively and forever banned from theres. Im not the type to hold grudges or judge others based on how there raid leader acts, everyone from Prophets are welcomed to my raids. Several of them are good friends of mine, while some dont care for me - cant please everyone. It's all good to me.

[Disavowed]

Thanks mel. No one in TFC has no squelched.

Just ignore him and others who put our guild down. They are definetely not worth our time.

There are no cowards in TFC who won't come foward with the ingame name and talk about us like that. He is just a troll.

Disavoed, tap4black and many others are just some of my many fans. You put up a few youtube videos, run a lot of raids, and people become fans. It's happens. Some fans a bit fanatical. But hey - Any press is good press.

I made my remarks towards you end your attitude. I run with folks from TFC all the time. I can only think of ONE person from TFC that I wont run with. All but one of them are a good group of people without an ego that are pleasant to run with.

And since you called me out in a PM about being afraid of 8Ball and you. No I'm not afraid of 8Ball I have no reason to be. My comments were directed at you not 8. I simply stated that I won't drop names to you or on here. Now if 8 wants to talk to me personally I have no problem telling him the names in private with a promise from him of no sanctions will be handed out to those in the guild that have said this stuff. You I will never tell regardless unless they say it's ok like Tap did.

As far as being afraid of you. Get a clue. You're the last person on this planet I would be afraid of. Get a clue buddy this is reality not a video game. You might be uber in a video game and mobs may need to fear your toons, but nobody on here would ever need to fear Axer the person. There's no need.

You squelch me and try to get the last word but I'm the coward who's afriad of you. A copy of you PM in case you forgot.

Your a child and coward. Can't even answer a simple question. Grow up.

Afraid of me.

Afraid of eightballs wrath. As you should be for talking about our guild like that.

Afraid of everyone.

squelched ingame and on the forums.

Did not read your pm past the first line.
Definitive Guide to Barbarians, Update 9 Half-Orc Barbs, Youtube Channel, DPS Challenge

Edit: FYI Axer we can go to another forum to discuss this where others won't be afraid of infraction points. Let's see how you hold up in there. It's not like I haven't made this offer before, but I'm the one who's afraid. You call me out, take a shot at me, then you hide behind the squelch option, but I'm the coward. OK.

[MeliCat]

I think a lot of the time people just don't get Axer's sense of humor. It's very dry and he talks too much. He can be an insensitive a$$hat at times - he will acknowledge that his cha score mostly matches those of the chars he plays. But if you can get over that, argue your point with humor, put up with the continual talking, live with the not- how-it's-usually-done instructions, it's fun.

I wouldn't call myself a particular Axer fanboi but I'm really surprised by how amazingly nasty people are about him at times. And people I really like too. Maybe things have changed since things first started around here because I don't see what they see particularly. (the ego maybe - but it's funny to tease him about this)

Re the Prophets stuff. It just hurts. But hey they're a bunch of friends and I'm not invited. I'm also not the best player and haven't geared my toons to the max so I've been told one of the reasons I am not welcome is because I am not seen to be contributing as much. Oh well. I'll keep plodding along and I can see where I'm getting better. Life experience I guess. It's only a game.

Which brings me back to lfms. Agreed it's annoying when you don't get a response. Agreed it's understandable when you know they are inundated with people applying. Can't see the point about posting about it in the forums though as the people you most want to see this message won't. What about a stock of (nice) responses you can copypasta into tells for questing?

[Disavowed]

I think a lot of the time people just don't get Axer's sense of humor. It's very dry and he talks too much. He can be an insensitive a$$hat at times - he will acknowledge that his cha score mostly matches those of the chars he plays. But if you can get over that, argue your point with humor, put up with the continual talking, live with the not- how-it's-usually-done instructions, it's fun.

I wouldn't call myself a particular Axer fanboi but I'm really surprised by how amazingly nasty people are about him at times. And people I really like too. Maybe things have changed since things first started around here because I don't see what they see particularly. (the ego maybe - but it's funny to tease him about this)

Re the Prophets stuff. It just hurts. But hey they're a bunch of friends and I'm not invited. I'm also not the best player and haven't geared my toons to the max so I've been told one of the reasons I am not welcome is because I am not seen to be contributing as much. Oh well. I'll keep plodding along and I can see where I'm getting better. Life experience I guess. It's only a game.

Which brings me back to lfms. Agreed it's annoying when you don't get a response. Agreed it's understandable when you know they are inundated with people applying. Can't see the point about posting about it in the forums though as the people you most want to see this message won't. What about a stock of (nice) responses you can copypasta into tells for questing?

But I can't agree with you here.

Your's is one way of looking at it. But when you hear and read direct quotes of how nobody is better at this game than him on a regular basis. Or "your blue bar is meant to be used on only me don't do that again" I have a hard time seeing that as a means of being funny or a sense of humor.

And as you state he can be an A$$ hat and never stops talking about himself. Why would I want to subject myself to that when my pugs succeeed just as much as his?

Again love ya but gotta disagree w/ ya sorry.

[Shade]

I wouldn't call myself a particular Axer fanboi but I'm really surprised by how amazingly nasty people are about him at times. And people I really like too. Maybe things have changed since things first started around here because I don't see what they see particularly. (the ego maybe - but it's funny to tease him about this)

I haven't changed.

The game has changed. Some of Khybers community has changed. Some of my closest friends became my greatest enemies. Some of my greatest enemies are now my best allies. Khybers a great and complex place. It's constantly evolving.

Oldschool DDO (before you started, before F2P) was a much more difficult and more hardcore game. Players who couldn't hack it just quit.. There was no free to pay, so the decision was easier to stop. There were far less raid leaders, far less players and far less freedom to choose your groups. But I ran things just the same.

All I know for sure, is people are far more harsh on the forums then theyd ever dare be to you on voicechat in the game. There's a sort of emotional barrier to single serving post to post communcation that isn't there when your talkign with someone ingame.

Thats one of the great things about DDO tho, it makes it more personal. It makes the community more real, and more connected. Something other mmos that dont have it, just can never have.

Maybe my attitude lends itself better towards a more difficult/hardcore game, where directness and aggresive play is not only encouraged, but nearly required to win.

I try to be softer now we are playing a decidedly softer game, but maybe thats beyond my ability as a person. Can I be changed? Would Khyber like it? Would khyber ever allow it? Difficult questions I don't know the answer to.

I do know that I feel that if I can be changed, its would be by your example mel. You are one of the kindest and most forgiving players on khyber, and I think if I can follow your examples... Then maybe, just maybe.. I can be... if you will... be saved. Not in a religious sense, but in the sense that I could be saved from confrontations like this one.

[MeliCat]

Sam I think that there are always going to be things in life that I find funny and you find annoying and visa versa.

Axer Ty But even if you did change there is an inertia or a hysteresis in your reputation that would prevent people from seeing this - possibly even yourself. Trying to change others (especially here) is pointless. Trying to engage, talk through and see other points of view though is good and what makes us human.

Way too deep and way too many hearts and flowers for Khyber.

/goes hunting nausea medication...

[Anthios888]

Why are the triple TR, super uber dominating ultra perfection seeking elite-only epic players usually so unwilling to understand that for us ham-n-eggers....

Ughghgh I really want ham and eggs.

[DrenglisEU]

It's better to get the "not accepted" message instead of not getting anything. Faster for me to move forward if not accepted. And no big drama there.

[chloe5819]

I'll take a Ranger TWF over a rogue anyday, simply I feel a rogue is just outright squishy yeah he might have good dps but is useless dead. I've been a clr for a long time and I will always take a Barbarian over a rogue/ranger if I want DPS they provide via str and have the hit points to stay alive. As a clr my mindset is who is the easiest to keep alive who will get the job done when stuff hits the fan moreover keeping me alive too. I'm not saying Rogues don't have dps but I'll take 9 barbarians 2 clr and a castor over a mixture of everything any day of the year. Even a gimped barbarian is still highly effective with a meat cutter and his rage/frenzies.

[DasLurch]

And this was getting popcorn worthy. Oh well. As for all the nonsense, I like running with Axer, Norg, and Sam. I'm in TFC and I don't have anyone squelched, but if 8ball snags another piece of loot out from under my nose i may have a 1st

As far as forming groups, I try to aspire to the good old rule of treat others as you'd like to be treated. Seems to work fine for me. But really who here tries to form fail groups? Other than for the fun of having someone screenshot it and post it here, I fail to see where the joy is in it?