TWF Build help

[dirtphillips]

Please let me preface this with a bit of a disclaimer. I play DDO with my teenage son and built several fighters given the advice here on the forums. He is bent on melee and absolutely bent on TWF. Given that, I need suggestions for a decent build, given those constraints. 32 point build and veteran status will be used.

Off the top of my head, i decided this

Horc Ranger18/Fighter2

STR 20
DEX 12
CON 14
INT 8
WIS 12
CHA 6

Feats are pretty open, Imp Crit slashing, WF slashing, maybe khopesh . need some general direction of what enhancements help this, other feats, what to stay away from. I DON'T need people saying he shouldn't do this. I already tried. I would rather make him happy with how he wants to play.

Anyway, i look forward to ideas, thanks.

[Standal]

Please let me preface this with a bit of a disclaimer. I play DDO with my teenage son and built several fighters given the advice here on the forums. He is bent on melee and absolutely bent on TWF. Given that, I need suggestions for a decent build, given those constraints. 32 point build and veteran status will be used.

Off the top of my head, i decided this

Horc Ranger18/Fighter2

STR 20
DEX 12
CON 14
INT 8
WIS 12
CHA 6

Feats are pretty open, Imp Crit slashing, WF slashing, maybe khopesh . need some general direction of what enhancements help this, other feats, what to stay away from. I DON'T need people saying he shouldn't do this. I already tried. I would rather make him happy with how he wants to play.

Anyway, i look forward to ideas, thanks.

How are you going to get your DEX to 17 for GTWF? You have to have GTWF pretty much. Probably need to drop STR to 18 and put those points into DEX and CON.

[kelemvelor]

Rangers have TWF, ITWF and GTWF as class feats and they don't even need to have the stat prerequisite to use them. So the build is valid and is used (aka strength ranger).

Note that you need dex 13 to qualify for dodge. So be prepared to chomp on a dex tome as your stat points are better off rounding off strength.

You can free some stat points off wisdom and top up to con or dex as most rangers usually start with 8 base anyway. Considering rangers have only 4 levels of spells, 8+ 6 (item) gives u the wisdom necessary for spells. Earlier levels, use Owl Wisdom wand as a precursor for your spells. Ranger spells are mostly buffs anyway so u really need it 1) When you enter a dungeon, 2) after you shrine.

If your going Tempest route, you should have about 2 feats free hanging. While weapon focus seems interesting, I doubt you really need it at medium ~ higher levels with your strength and favored enemies enhancements. Double toughness or skill focus: UMD or such might be more beneficial.

Essential Enhancements to take:
Tempest III (I assume ur going there)
Ranger Dex II (Prereq for Tempest II)
Favored Enemy Attack II
Favored Enemy Damage II
Fighter Haste I
Fighter Strength I
Fighter Toughness I
HOrc Power Attack III
HOrc Str II
Racial Toughess II

[dirtphillips]

A related question: In reading, it seems that the Tempest III Enhancement is generally regarded as underwhelming. Why is this so?

If that is the case, would it be better to go Ranger12/Fighter8, with the Ranger levels taken early on to get the TWF chain completed? I've read that Tempest II is desirable, but not III.

I assume all stat increases would go to STR. Is this the case?

[Spoonman457]

Id reduce your wis from 12 to 8 or 10, as a 8 wis + a +6 wis item allows you to cast all ranger spells, and 12 wis vs 8 wis is only = to about 50 sp at lvl 20, and either str or dex would be a better use of those build points, unless you plan on taking a monk lvl or 2.

other wise it looks good.

PS. you need 8 lvls of ranger to get bark skin, and by then you should have a +3 or +4 wis item, these are cheap on the ah.

good luck and have fun

[unbongwah]

Here's a 32-pt HO variant on a (28-pt dwarf) rgr 18 / ftr 2 build of mine:

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Level 20 True Neutral Half-Orc Male
(2 Fighter \ 18 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 296
Spell Points: 259 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 14
Will: 8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             20                    30
Dexterity            14                    16
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence          6                     6
Wisdom               12                    14
Charisma              6                     6

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 20

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Ranger)


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Mobility


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Spring Attack


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh


Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant


Level 8 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 9 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Ranger)


Level 11 (Ranger)


Level 12 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 13 (Ranger)


Level 14 (Ranger)


Level 15 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Construct


Level 18 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 19 (Ranger)


Level 20 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Ranger Energy Resistance Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Orcish Brute Fighting I
Enhancement: Orcish Brute Fighting II
Enhancement: Orcish Brute Fighting III
Enhancement: Orcish Brute Fighting IV
Enhancement: Orcish Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Orcish Extra Action Boost II
Enhancement: Orcish Extra Action Boost III
Enhancement: Orcish Fury I
Enhancement: Orcish Fury II
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack I
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack II
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack III
Enhancement: Orcish Strength I
Enhancement: Orcish Strength II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage III
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage IV
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest II
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest III
Enhancement: Ranger Devotion I
Enhancement: Ranger Devotion II
Enhancement: Ranger Devotion III
Enhancement: Ranger Devotion IV
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I

WIS 12 is so you can take +2 WIS tome and be able to cast lvl 4 spells w/out a +WIS item, thus freeing an item slot; alternatively, dump-stat WIS and put the extra pts into CON for more HPs. Final feat is open to debate; I went with Maximize (+rgr Devotion enhs) for tossing off emergency Cures. Likewise enhs could be tweaked; the only must-haves are the DPS boosts & Tempest stuff, IMHO.

Something like rgr 12 / ftr 8 (or ftr 7 / barb 1) would have higher DPS & HPs, but lose skill pts & lvl 4 spells; not a bad tradeoff, esp. if melee is your son's primary focus.

[erikst]

drop 2 points from STR and put into DEX and CON.

[Kinerd]

A related question: In reading, it seems that the Tempest III Enhancement is generally regarded as underwhelming. Why is this so?

If that is the case, would it be better to go Ranger12/Fighter8, with the Ranger levels taken early on to get the TWF chain completed? I've read that Tempest II is desirable, but not III.

Tempest used to be better. Tempest III is definitely still desirable. 12/8 is going to give you pretty much the same DPS, but give you much less versatility in favored enemies, which would annoy me to no end. Ymmv.

I assume all stat increases would go to STR. Is this the case?

Yes.