Considering deleting all of my clerics

[likuei]

/rant on

Five clerics, 4 years of playing and stuck with Radiant ...
Looks like G-Land just lost more divines to lack of support from the Devs.
If I don't just quit, maybe I'll just join the Exploiter group and worry about
taking care of myself.

/rant off

I know that sounds childish, but a core class that gets no love gets boring to play
after awhile. But I am serious about the one or the other. I have tried so many
combos of a class that should be able to get some attention other than giving them
more healing options. Yes, I can focus more on being melee capable, but that pretty
much get crushed once you hit level 18 because of the Monty Python loot and the
lack of balance.

Maybe instead of continually asking for Cleric love, maybe I should be asking for DDO2, a return to what DDO was ... a real strategic minded game instead of a game
with this WoW inspired direction its taken.

[Niktoo]

This about the FvS PRE? I think Turbine has already made their stance pretty clear on how the p2p races and classes should be balanced.


Personally I think clerics and their PRE are quite powerful, I can't see clerics becoming second rate because of this. Bards? Maybe.

[MsEricka]

Five clerics, 4 years of playing and stuck with Radiant

I know that sounds childish, but a core class that gets no love

No love? You got radiant servant, Favored Souls got nothing. Stop the whinefest and realize you already got the love and that it's someone else's turn.

[Anthios888]

Yes, I can focus more on being melee capable, but that pretty
much get crushed once you hit level 18 because of the Monty Python loot and the
lack of balance.

[likuei]

Yes Niktoo. While they have said the FvS, a class that is relatively new to the game, will not get two Tier II PREs, the one they will get is something Clerics have been suggesting for awhile.

And while Radiant Servant is considered a PRE, if you have played clerics for awhile now, you will quickly realize it is just an expansion of Divine Healing line with burst (party and undead) healing added. I will say this again, it does open up cleric to actually get in there and swing away, up until approximately level 18. It would just be nice to see the cleric opened up more for customization. Being 'melee capable' is only cool up to right around level 18, I would like the OPTION of going farther with it, without being forced into being on healing duty once I hit level 18.

And now that I think about it, the paid classes are the ones that are getting the most attention. Guess you have to butter your bread on the right side to make/keep it popular.

[Memnir]

I'm kinda in the opposite boat.
Rad Servant made being a cleric fun for me - and I enjoy it quite a lot. I'm thinking of rolling more divine casters... not less.

[twix]

I think you are playing a different game then me....

[voodoogroves]

Yes Niktoo. While they have said the FvS, a class that is relatively new to the game, will not get two Tier II PREs, the one they will get is something Clerics have been suggesting for awhile.

And while Radiant Servant is considered a PRE, if you have played clerics for awhile now, you will quickly realize it is just an expansion of Divine Healing line with burst (party and undead) healing added. I will say this again, it does open up cleric to actually get in there and swing away, up until approximately level 18. It would just be nice to see the cleric opened up more for customization. Being 'melee capable' is only cool up to right around level 18, I would like the OPTION of going farther with it, without being forced into being on healing duty once I hit level 18.

And now that I think about it, the paid classes are the ones that are getting the most attention. Guess you have to butter your bread on the right side to make/keep it popular.

My cleric melees in epics and he has no epic grear ....?

That is all thanks to Radiant Servant ... not just the aura and bursts but the wicked 75% from empower healing is huge. Sure I drop back and focus on heals primarily in raids like eDQ, eVON6, etc. The most fun VOD I have run had everyone meleeing in a mass auroud the boss and three of them were radiant servants....

[MartinusWyllt]

...if you have played clerics for awhile now, you will quickly realize it is just an expansion of Divine Healing line with burst (party and undead) healing added. ....

Turn regeneration is not insignificant...technically infinite spell points for others if you really wanted to sit around for it.

I dig being the cleric and I don't expect to have any kind of FvS envy...if I do I will roll one.

[Chette]

Yes, the radiant servant PrE is about healing, but when it comes down to it, that's what you need to do. No, it's not the only thing you need to do, but it's darn important. As somebody who plays quite a few divines, most of whom would be rejected from pugs for not being "healing specced" I definitely get that clerics aren't heal bots. What the devs have given you is a way to be an amazing healer, the main thing you are supposed to do, without having to stop kicking but. You can swing your axe, drop your blade barriers, and still keep the party up.

Yes, of course they're going to focus on giving goodies to FvS, they're a ptp class and to expect anything else would be naive. But by giving clerics the aura they gave them more flexibility, to not have to max their spell points, and to not have to constantly be casting cures. They gave them flexibility, and IMO that's what clerics are all about, that's what sets them apart from FvS.

[MartinusWyllt]

... not just the aura and bursts but the wicked 75% from empower healing is huge. Sure I drop back and focus on heals primarily in raids like eDQ, eVON6, etc...

Yes, can't forget this...at least for me this keeps cure light and cure mod on my quick bar for single target healing. (well, this, the enhancements and items)

I just got implosion last night....I like it.

[Morlen]

I'm kinda in the opposite boat.
Rad Servant made being a cleric fun for me - and I enjoy it quite a lot. I'm thinking of rolling more divine casters... not less.

This. Working on my Cleric's healing amp, hitting for 33 a tic on aura right now and should be up to 40 or so soon. Only have con-op, but once I get a torc as well soloing will be beyond cake. Mmmm, caaaaake...

[QuantumFX]

OP: You should delete all your clerics. Do it for the good of DDO.

[protokon]

I'm kinda in the opposite boat.
Rad Servant made being a cleric fun for me - and I enjoy it quite a lot. I'm thinking of rolling more divine casters... not less.

this.

When favored souls came out, I kept my main cleric around for sentimental reasons. Now I find him more enjoyable to play than ever.

I really don't see what the issue is, favored soul or cleric - healing strategies don't really change much based on your class.

[Veileira]

I love my clerics. Sure I'm drooling over the fvs pre and I'm happy I bought fvs at 50% off a while back. I have one fvs, two clerics and it's staying like that. At least until druid comes out.

[LeLoric]

You delete all yours and ill delete all mine we can drink down the cool-aid together.

Noone tell the OP I have no clerics.

[Therigar]

Clerics are already hard to find. Just check any LFM. Odds are high that the ones needing a specific class are looking for healers.

Cleric and healing have always gone together in D&D. Even back when there were only 4 classes -- fighter, cleric, magic user and thief -- and when all elves were automatically fighter/magic users and all halflings automatically thieves.

If you can't accept that responsibility then you should go right ahead and delete your clerics because you are clearly self centered rather than group centered. Being self centered works fine for barbarians and fighters and monks.

But, on clerics it doesn't work. The word gets around. And, since cleric has always been an inferior combat class (again, intentionally in the D&D system) no group is going to want you if you are not willing to take on the healing responsibility in what is a group oriented game.

Clerics must be group centered. They must be able to determine when to take on the healing responsibility. They must put the party first and their egos second.

If you are not that type of a person then you are absolutely right. You should delete your clerics.

Instead play favored souls or some other class. People know that some favored souls are healing oriented and that others are not. They know not to take a favored soul if healing is needed without checking first. That is because favored souls don't get automatic cure spells. We understand that they can be built without a single curative spell at all.

But, clerics are different. Their very design from the first release of D&D up to now keeps the same emphasis. They are healers who can fight if needed.

That you don't get to fight as often as you'd like or that you don't like the healing role should tell you something.

I think it is clear what you should be doing. It is just unfortunate that its taken this many years for you to see the truth about yourself and the cleric class.

[Drakos]

This about the FvS PRE? I think Turbine has already made their stance pretty clear on how the p2p races and classes should be balanced.


Personally I think clerics and their PRE are quite powerful, I can't see clerics becoming second rate because of this. Bards? Maybe.

What this is about is one of the "The grass is always greener...." type of things. Clerics did get some love, and despite the OP assertation the Rad Servant isn't fun, every on I know that is a Rad Servent loves it. Yes, the Rad Servant focuses on healing (as does the class) that is the focus of the PnP class it is based on, so no big suprise there.

[Bodic]

All I have to say is why 5 clerics seriously my fav class I have 3 and 1 is bank 1 is flavor and 1 is my main. I do have 7 other toons and not a single cleric just 2 FvS. wings FTW

[PopeJual]

I really like the Radiant Servant's extra Healing abilities because that will let me focus more on other aspects of my character while still doing all that healing that needs to be done.

I look at it in the same way that I look at defensive traits in wargames that reward offensive play. The defensive traits let me spend less time and effort (and units) on defense so that I can concentrate more on the offense - and when I capture something worthwhile, I can hold it with fewer units because of that defensive trait. Defensive traits *are* offensive traits if you use them right.

Don't think of Radiant Servant as forcing you into a role that you don't want. Think of Radiant Servant as allowing you to fill the role that you're already being forced into with little or no resources so that you can devote your resources to the part of the game that you *do* like.