Which could be better Dps? Cleric/Figher or Fvs/Figher?

**blondilina96** · 03-11-2011, 01:15 PM

well, yeah, thats the question, Which could be better Dps? Cleric/Figher or Fvs/Figher?
i would like to know why and how? i have the fvs soul unlocked and i was thinking on a Melee self-buffing-healing figher..

would i get evoker spells even if i am focused on melee?
which feats should i focus on to be a decent dps?

i need some Feedback :=3 )

stats i was thinking:

str:18
dex:9
con:13
int:8
sab:8
cha:14

Thanks

**AylinIsAwesome** · 03-11-2011, 01:19 PM

Technically, Cleric gets more DPS, especially if you choose Horc.

With 9 DEX, looks like you're gonna be THF.

That means Warforged if you're FvS, and they get +4 damage to greatswords. Horcs get +4 damage to all Two-handed weapons (including Falchions and Greataxes which do more DPS). Then Divine Might on top of it for up to +6 more damage per swing... Yeah.

**jwdaniels** · 03-11-2011, 01:25 PM

If you can find the Soul Survivor thread (used to be in the Favored Soul forum) I would suggest starting there. No need to splash fighter into your build.

If you go cleric, than 18 cleric/2 fighter or 19/1 would be the way to go, and at that point I would definitely build a half orc.

**Phidius** · 03-11-2011, 01:26 PM

Regardless of the actual DPS done, I'd go with the cleric.

Otherwise, the extra DPS from 2 Fighter isn't visible through the tears from losing the 10/[metal type] DR from staying pure FvS.

**Asketes** · 03-11-2011, 01:27 PM

*shakes the Magic 8-ball*

Sources tell me a pure fighter is better DPS

if you insist on this, then 18 [EDIT] it's 17 fvs that gives Leap of Faith wings [/EDIT] fvs gives you wings

good call on being two handed fighting.. more points for str/con/wis

[TIP]
can go warforged and stay pure favored soul.. get 10 dr/adamantine

can get a 15 dr/addy if you take addy body and the two enhancement points.

**Tsuarok** · 03-11-2011, 01:28 PM

Horcs would work just fine for the FvS/Ftr. Definately go warforged if pure, but for the mix, horc is probably better.

The Damage Boost clickys that a FvS gets would probably be enough, combined with the extra action boosts that horcs get, to overcome the +2 dmg the cleric gets.

That said, were I doing a THF FvS I'd take the very slight DPS loss and go pure Warforged. Just too much good stuff at level 20.

**bryanmeerkat** · 03-11-2011, 02:05 PM

1 fighter / 2 monk /17 cleric

**Asketes** · 03-11-2011, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Tsuarok

Horcs would work just fine for the FvS/Ftr. Definately go warforged if pure, but for the mix, horc is probably better.

The Damage Boost clickys that a FvS gets would probably be enough, combined with the extra action boosts that horcs get, to overcome the +2 dmg the cleric gets.

That said, were I doing a THF FvS I'd take the very slight DPS loss and go pure Warforged. Just too much good stuff at level 20.

well with warforged you gain proficiency with greatswords

means you don't have to bother with dex and try and pull of twf.

while orc has the extra str, wf will have the proficiency and the extra hp and the tasty immunities.

**Therigar** · 03-11-2011, 02:35 PM

Warforged FvS if you have it available is a much better option.

Battleclerics of various flavors obviously the second choice. Cleric 18/fighter 2 is an old standard. Swapping FvS for cleric gets you more spell points but fewer spell options and cuts down on top level spells. Either can still work.

Deeper splashes of fighter change the equation. You lose out on being a useful cleric in order to get marginal boosts in melee capabilities. If that is what you're after then go paladin instead.

**blondilina96** · 03-11-2011, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by AylinIsAwesome

Technically, Cleric gets more DPS, especially if you choose Horc.

With 9 DEX, looks like you're gonna be THF.

That means Warforged if you're FvS, and they get +4 damage to greatswords. Horcs get +4 damage to all Two-handed weapons (including Falchions and Greataxes which do more DPS). Then Divine Might on top of it for up to +6 more damage per swing... Yeah.

i´ve got just f2p .. and the vfs that i bought the last week, so, i just can make a 28 points build with the normal races

**AylinIsAwesome** · 03-11-2011, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by blondilina96

i´ve got just f2p .. and the vfs that i bought the last week, so, i just can make a 28 points build with the normal races

In that case Elf (using Falchions) or Dwarf (using Greataxes) Cleric with a Fighter splash would probably be best for you.

Greataxes are better during auto-crit due to the 3x multiplier, but Falchions are better against any mob that can't be auto-crit (aka, any of the raid bosses).

I'll post a sample of each in a minute.

**jwdaniels** · 03-11-2011, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by AylinIsAwesome

In that case Elf (using Falchions) or Dwarf (using Greataxes) Cleric with a Fighter splash would probably be best for you.

Greataxes are better during auto-crit due to the 3x multiplier, but Falchions are better against any mob that can't be auto-crit (aka, any of the raid bosses).

I'll post a sample of each in a minute.

Personally I'd go dwarf for the higher con (and I'm partial to dwarves from my pen and paper days).

**blondilina96** · 03-11-2011, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by jwdaniels

Personally I'd go dwarf for the higher con (and I'm partial to dwarves from my pen and paper days).

ï it sounds good , but, is the charisma important for heals or is it just wisdom?

**AylinIsAwesome** · 03-11-2011, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by blondilina96

ï it sounds good , but, is the charisma important for heals or is it just wisdom?

CHA is needed for Divine Might.

**blondilina96** · 03-11-2011, 03:44 PM

how important is cha and wisdom(im not going to use turn undead at all) for a dps cleric? and how can i get the profency to 2h weapons without splashing with figher?
just f2p

**protokon** · 03-11-2011, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by AylinIsAwesome

Technically, Cleric gets more DPS, especially if you choose Horc.

With 9 DEX, looks like you're gonna be THF.

That means Warforged if you're FvS, and they get +4 damage to greatswords. Horcs get +4 damage to all Two-handed weapons (including Falchions and Greataxes which do more DPS). Then Divine Might on top of it for up to +6 more damage per swing... Yeah.

this is a pretty good summary of the 'best' dps options for these classes. my picks in order of 'top DPS'

1. half-orc cleric with greataxes
2. warforged favored soul with greatswords
3. dwarf favored soul with greataxes

to answer your question about cha and wisdom, if you are meleeing all you need is a minimum of 19 total modifier to cast level 9 spells - usually starting with as little as 10 or 11 will work fine (+2 tome +6 item and +enhancements).

to get proficiency, you either have to splash or use a feat to obtain it. if your really determined to optimize melee, a 1 or 2 fighter splash would work nicely (for extra feats) or you could splash 1 barbarian for running speed / sprint boost.

edit: to be honest, with a 28 point build you are really stretching yourself thin. I don't know how many packs you have, but I would highly recommend favor grinding on one of your favorite toons (only need 1750 total) to unlock the 32 pointer. otherwise, you could always cap playing more of a healer and reincarnate into a 34-pointer with some gear.

**AylinIsAwesome** · 03-11-2011, 03:51 PM

Elf version:

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Level 20 True Neutral Elf Male
(1 Fighter \ 1 Barbarian \ 18 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 278
Spell Points: 1144 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 7
Will: 13

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
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Dexterity            10                 12                   12
Constitution         12                 14                   14
Intelligence         10                 12                   12
Wisdom               12                 14                   14
Charisma             14                 16                   18

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+2 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 20
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 20
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 20

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Search                0                  1                    3
Spot                  1                  2                    4
Swim                  3                  6                    6
Tumble                1                  2                    2
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Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Dismiss Rage
Feat: (Automatic) Elven Keen Senses
Feat: (Automatic) Enchantment Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Fast Movement
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Immunity to Sleep
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Rage
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip


Level 2 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training
Feat: (Automatic) Turn Undead
Spell (1): Bane
Spell (1): Bless
Spell (1): Cause Fear
Spell (1): Command
Spell (1): Cure Light Wounds
Spell (1): Divine Favor
Spell (1): Doom
Spell (1): Inflict Light Wounds
Spell (1): Nightshield
Spell (1): Nimbus of Light
Spell (1): Obscuring Mist
Spell (1): Protection From Evil
Spell (1): Remove Fear
Spell (1): Shield of Faith
Spell (1): Summon Monster I


Level 3 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (2): Aid
Spell (2): Bear's Endurance
Spell (2): Bull's Strength
Spell (2): Close Wounds
Spell (2): Cure Moderate Wounds
Spell (2): Deific Vengance
Spell (2): Eagle's Spendor
Spell (2): Find Traps
Spell (2): Hold Person
Spell (2): Inflict Moderate Wounds
Spell (2): Lesser Restoration
Spell (2): Owl's Wisdom
Spell (2): Remove Paralysis
Spell (2): Resist Energy
Spell (2): Seek Eternal Rest
Spell (2): Soundburst
Spell (2): Spawn Screen
Spell (2): Summon Monster II


Level 5 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Spell (3): Bestow Curse
Spell (3): Blindness
Spell (3): Contagion
Spell (3): Cure Serious Wounds
Spell (3): Dispel Magic
Spell (3): Glyph of Warding
Spell (3): Inflict Serious Wounds
Spell (3): Magic Circle Against Evil
Spell (3): Mass Aid
Spell (3): Prayer
Spell (3): Protection From Energy
Spell (3): Remove Blindness
Spell (3): Remove Curse
Spell (3): Remove Disease
Spell (3): Searing Light
Spell (3): Summon Monster III
Spell (3): Water Breathing


Level 7 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (4): Chaos Hammer
Spell (4): Cure Critical Wounds
Spell (4): Deathward
Spell (4): Dismissal
Spell (4): Divine Power
Spell (4): Freedom of Movement
Spell (4): Holy Smite
Spell (4): Inflict Critical Wounds
Spell (4): Mass Shield of Faith
Spell (4): Neutralize Poison
Spell (4): Order's Wrath
Spell (4): Panacea
Spell (4): Poison
Spell (4): Recitation
Spell (4): Restoration
Spell (4): Summon Monster IV
Spell (4): Symbol of Flame
Spell (4): Unholy Blight


Level 9 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 10 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (5): Break Enchantment
Spell (5): Flame Strike
Spell (5): Greater Command
Spell (5): Mass Cure Light Wounds
Spell (5): Mass Inflict Light Wounds
Spell (5): Protection From Elements
Spell (5): Raise Dead
Spell (5): Slay Living
Spell (5): Spell Resistance
Spell (5): Stalwart Pact
Spell (5): Summon Monster V
Spell (5): Symbol of Pain
Spell (5): True Seeing


Level 11 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Spell (6): Banishment
Spell (6): Blade Barrier
Spell (6): Cometfall
Spell (6): Create Undead
Spell (6): Greater Dispel Magic
Spell (6): Greater Glyph of Warding
Spell (6): Harm
Spell (6): Heal
Spell (6): Heroes Feast
Spell (6): Mass Bear's Endurance
Spell (6): Mass Bull's Strength
Spell (6): Mass Cure Moderate Wounds
Spell (6): Mass Eagle's Spendor
Spell (6): Mass Inflict Moderate Wounds
Spell (6): Mass Owl's Wisdom
Spell (6): Summon Monster VI
Spell (6): Symbol of Fear
Spell (6): Symbol of Persuasion
Spell (6): Undead to Death
Spell (6): Word of Recall


Level 13 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency


Level 15 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Spell (7): Destruction
Spell (7): Greater Restoration
Spell (7): Mass Cure Serious Wounds
Spell (7): Mass Inflict Serious Wounds
Spell (7): Mass Protection From Elements
Spell (7): Mass Restoration
Spell (7): Mass Spell Resistance
Spell (7): Resurrection
Spell (7): Summon Monster VII
Spell (7): Symbol of Stunning
Spell (7): Symbol of Weakness


Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 17 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (8): Death Pact
Spell (8): Firestorm
Spell (8): Holy Aura
Spell (8): Mass Cure Critical Wounds
Spell (8): Mass Death Ward
Spell (8): Mass Inflict Critical Wounds
Spell (8): Summon Monster VIII
Spell (8): Symbol of Death


Level 18 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell


Level 19 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (9): Energy Drain
Spell (9): Implosion
Spell (9): Mass Heal
Spell (9): Summon Monster IX
Spell (9): True Resurrection


Level 20 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Attack II
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma I
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma II
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might II
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I

(Just needs INT tome...can take it later than 7 by dropping some Balance).

**blondilina96** · 03-11-2011, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by protokon

this is a pretty good summary of the 'best' dps options for these classes. my picks in order of 'top DPS'

1. half-orc cleric with greataxes
2. warforged favored soul with greatswords
3. dwarf favored soul with greataxes

to answer your question about cha and wisdom, if you are meleeing all you need is a minimum of 19 total modifier to cast level 9 spells - usually starting with as little as 10 or 11 will work fine (+2 tome +6 item and +enhancements).

to get proficiency, you either have to splash or use a feat to obtain it. if your really determined to optimize melee, a 1 or 2 fighter splash would work nicely (for extra feats) or you could splash 1 barbarian for running speed / sprint boost.

Thanks a lot for the information, btw, can a cleric be barbarian? if it can be then, im not sure if the feats from the warrior are better than the rage and stuff from the barbarian...

**AylinIsAwesome** · 03-11-2011, 04:00 PM

Dwarf version:

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Level 20 True Neutral Dwarf Male
(1 Fighter \ 1 Barbarian \ 18 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 358
Spell Points: 1129 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 20
Reflex: 6
Will: 13

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 23                   23
Dexterity             8                 10                   10
Constitution         16                 18                   20
Intelligence         10                 12                   12
Wisdom               12                 14                   14
Charisma             12                 14                   16

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 20
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 20
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 20

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               0                  7                   11
Bluff                 1                  3                    3
Concentration         5                 28                   28
Diplomacy             1                  3                    3
Disable Device        n/a               n/a                   n/a
Haggle                1                  3                    3
Heal                  1                  2                    4
Hide                 -1                  0                    0
Intimidate            1                  3                    3
Jump                  7                 10                   10
Listen                1                  2                    2
Move Silently        -1                  0                    0
Open Lock            n/a                n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                  1                    1
Search                0                  1                    3
Spot                  1                  2                    2
Swim                  3                  6                    6
Tumble                0                  1                    1
Use Magic Device      3                 14                   14

Level 1 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Dismiss Rage
Feat: (Automatic) Dwarven Stability
Feat: (Automatic) Dwarven Stonecutting
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Dwarven Waraxe
Feat: (Automatic) Fast Movement
Feat: (Automatic) Giant Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Orc and Goblin Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Poison Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Rage
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Spell Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip


Level 2 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training
Feat: (Automatic) Turn Undead
Spell (1): Bane
Spell (1): Bless
Spell (1): Cause Fear
Spell (1): Command
Spell (1): Cure Light Wounds
Spell (1): Divine Favor
Spell (1): Doom
Spell (1): Inflict Light Wounds
Spell (1): Nightshield
Spell (1): Nimbus of Light
Spell (1): Obscuring Mist
Spell (1): Protection From Evil
Spell (1): Remove Fear
Spell (1): Shield of Faith
Spell (1): Summon Monster I


Level 3 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (2): Aid
Spell (2): Bear's Endurance
Spell (2): Bull's Strength
Spell (2): Close Wounds
Spell (2): Cure Moderate Wounds
Spell (2): Deific Vengance
Spell (2): Eagle's Spendor
Spell (2): Find Traps
Spell (2): Hold Person
Spell (2): Inflict Moderate Wounds
Spell (2): Lesser Restoration
Spell (2): Owl's Wisdom
Spell (2): Remove Paralysis
Spell (2): Resist Energy
Spell (2): Seek Eternal Rest
Spell (2): Soundburst
Spell (2): Spawn Screen
Spell (2): Summon Monster II


Level 5 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Spell (3): Bestow Curse
Spell (3): Blindness
Spell (3): Contagion
Spell (3): Cure Serious Wounds
Spell (3): Dispel Magic
Spell (3): Glyph of Warding
Spell (3): Inflict Serious Wounds
Spell (3): Magic Circle Against Evil
Spell (3): Mass Aid
Spell (3): Prayer
Spell (3): Protection From Energy
Spell (3): Remove Blindness
Spell (3): Remove Curse
Spell (3): Remove Disease
Spell (3): Searing Light
Spell (3): Summon Monster III
Spell (3): Water Breathing


Level 7 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (4): Chaos Hammer
Spell (4): Cure Critical Wounds
Spell (4): Deathward
Spell (4): Dismissal
Spell (4): Divine Power
Spell (4): Freedom of Movement
Spell (4): Holy Smite
Spell (4): Inflict Critical Wounds
Spell (4): Mass Shield of Faith
Spell (4): Neutralize Poison
Spell (4): Order's Wrath
Spell (4): Panacea
Spell (4): Poison
Spell (4): Recitation
Spell (4): Restoration
Spell (4): Summon Monster IV
Spell (4): Symbol of Flame
Spell (4): Unholy Blight


Level 9 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 10 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (5): Break Enchantment
Spell (5): Flame Strike
Spell (5): Greater Command
Spell (5): Mass Cure Light Wounds
Spell (5): Mass Inflict Light Wounds
Spell (5): Protection From Elements
Spell (5): Raise Dead
Spell (5): Slay Living
Spell (5): Spell Resistance
Spell (5): Stalwart Pact
Spell (5): Summon Monster V
Spell (5): Symbol of Pain
Spell (5): True Seeing


Level 11 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Spell (6): Banishment
Spell (6): Blade Barrier
Spell (6): Cometfall
Spell (6): Create Undead
Spell (6): Greater Dispel Magic
Spell (6): Greater Glyph of Warding
Spell (6): Harm
Spell (6): Heal
Spell (6): Heroes Feast
Spell (6): Mass Bear's Endurance
Spell (6): Mass Bull's Strength
Spell (6): Mass Cure Moderate Wounds
Spell (6): Mass Eagle's Spendor
Spell (6): Mass Inflict Moderate Wounds
Spell (6): Mass Owl's Wisdom
Spell (6): Summon Monster VI
Spell (6): Symbol of Fear
Spell (6): Symbol of Persuasion
Spell (6): Undead to Death
Spell (6): Word of Recall


Level 13 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency


Level 15 (Cleric)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Spell (7): Destruction
Spell (7): Greater Restoration
Spell (7): Mass Cure Serious Wounds
Spell (7): Mass Inflict Serious Wounds
Spell (7): Mass Protection From Elements
Spell (7): Mass Restoration
Spell (7): Mass Spell Resistance
Spell (7): Resurrection
Spell (7): Summon Monster VII
Spell (7): Symbol of Stunning
Spell (7): Symbol of Weakness


Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)


Level 17 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (8): Death Pact
Spell (8): Firestorm
Spell (8): Holy Aura
Spell (8): Mass Cure Critical Wounds
Spell (8): Mass Death Ward
Spell (8): Mass Inflict Critical Wounds
Spell (8): Summon Monster VIII
Spell (8): Symbol of Death


Level 18 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell


Level 19 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (9): Energy Drain
Spell (9): Implosion
Spell (9): Mass Heal
Spell (9): Summon Monster IX
Spell (9): True Resurrection


Level 20 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage II
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II
Enhancement: Dwarven Faith I
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness IV
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma I
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma II
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I

**AylinIsAwesome** · 03-11-2011, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by blondilina96

Thanks a lot for the information, btw, can a cleric be barbarian? if it can be then, im not sure if the feats from the warrior are better than the rage and stuff from the barbarian...

Both of the ones I just posted have a splash of Barbarian.

You won't use Rage, since it makes you unable to cast spells, but the run speed increase, Sprint Boost, and Power Attack 1 enhancement are all nice to have.

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