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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobthesponge View Post
    Best stats? possibly for you, but definately not for my WF wiz and possibly not for the OP. Too many playstyle factor enter into it. Dumping STR for extra CON on a self buffing, self healing toon is not an optimal choice.

    I'm glad you like those stats, but leave the hyperbole out of it.
    16 strength is more then enough for a wizard. You disagree and thats fine, but IMO max con. max int. is the best for a wizard.

    In what remote possibly non-existant scenerio would you need more the 16 strength? My WF wiz did/does extremely well with these stats.

    ...and there is no exaggeration used for effect by saying those are the best starting stats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eazyrider View Post
    Drop CON to 18 and put the rest into STR would be my suggestion.
    Agreed.

    STR - Encumbered/enfeebled=dead
    DEX - pointless (If you want reflex saves take insightful reflex feat)
    CON -20 Con is expensive 6 Stat points for 23 hitpoints at cap. Stick to 18.
    INT - Invest everything here
    WIS - pointless. Will save still not usefull, WF immunities.
    CHA- Possibly for UMD WF can repair so no need for Heal scrolls. Raise dead maybe...

    Str will help avoid encumberance, enfeebling, helps with carrying capacity.
    Masters touch and a great axe works well.
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    I really don't get why ppl are saying str is so important tell me one scenario where a wf wizard would need more than 16 str. Ray of enfeeblement does about 7 to 8 points of str damage thats still not enough to make you helpless. And what are you gonna grab your greatsword and melee stuff when you can just use spells/slas that do a ton more damage. More HP or a higher will save, or even cha for UMD would be useful but not this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keylon View Post
    I really don't get why ppl are saying str is so important tell me one scenario where a wf wizard would need more than 16 str. Ray of enfeeblement does about 7 to 8 points of str damage thats still not enough to make you helpless. And what are you gonna grab your greatsword and melee stuff when you can just use spells/slas that do a ton more damage. More HP or a higher will save, or even cha for UMD would be useful but not this.
    Actually, it's more like 10 points of str damage.

    16 - 10 = 6... max carrying capacity of 300 lbs, Heavy Encumbrance/Burdened at 200 lbs.

    Full Plate armor weighs 50 lbs. Guess what I loot a lot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phidius View Post
    Actually, it's more like 10 points of str damage.

    16 - 10 = 6... max carrying capacity of 300 lbs, Heavy Encumbrance/Burdened at 200 lbs.

    Full Plate armor weighs 50 lbs. Guess what I loot a lot
    Actually its 1d6 +5 which means around 8 str damage

    But hey dont take my word for it: http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Spell...f_Enfeeblement

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    My opinion and my opinion only...

    Playstyle matters.
    6 build points on a low stat translate 1 to 1.

    Max INT. Levels here, this is not really at question. That's 16 points, you have 16 remaining.

    I personally do not put the other 16 build points into CON. I like the base strength. You'll have plenty of skills too, so some in DEX or CHA can work. For DEX uses check out the Shadow Mage threads; extra DEX is handy when you're eaking out all the move silently you can. When I hit my thrid life on my wizzie he'll be running with INT max, 10 build points in CON, 6 in STR and 4 in DEX. That said I like to both swing stick on occasion and stealth. If he had Leap of the Heavens and bard songs I'd never play another toon.

    Even if I don't put points into DEX I NEVER take Insightful Reflexes unless I have evasion. 500 hp on a wizard is good enough without spending a feat. Evasion amplifies the benefit, so that's a different case.
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