/dismiss hireling

[stoopid_cowboy]

Has anyone else noticed a trend in lower level players using hirelings?
I just tr'd again and have been having issues with this. I post an IP LFM and start my quest. Granted I can solo the content I am running, but why not group up and enjoy the grind?
Anyway, never fails. The 5th person joins the party and POOF summons a hireling. Thus taking a spot away from another player, and also risking XP for AI stupidity.

So, why is it the party leader cannot dismiss a hireling? A hireling doesn't take down an LFM (I don't think anyway), so why can't the leader dismiss the hireling to accept another player?

Any thoughts on the matter?

yuda

[gk_zone]

Well, you can actually get a +5% bonus for a hireling death so it isn't entirely a bad thing. I'd politely ask the pugger to dismiss the hireling though, so we could bring in a real player.

[pokeoutyoureardrums]

Being allowed to dismiss a hireling you didn't pay for would undermine someone elses activity and cash. That is a nono.

What if you were a mercenary and had a favorite weapon. A very expensive, bad ***weapon. And some ******bag was just allowed to take it away from you? Not very nice.

Party leaders reserve the right to eject people but not to waste other people's money. At least not directly.

[pokeoutyoureardrums]

Well, you can actually get a +5% bonus for a hireling death so it isn't entirely a bad thing.

really?

[Falco_Easts]

really?

No.

You only lose some of the no death bonus for a hireling dieing though.

Player death = 10% bonus goes bye bye
Hireling death = 5% drops off the no death bonus still leaving you 5% unless a player dies.

[Dandonk]

Being allowed to dismiss a hireling you didn't pay for would undermine someone elses activity and cash. That is a nono.

Likely the reason, yes.

Why not let the leader set a flag about hirelings? So you just can't summon one if the leader has turned hirelings off.

[Falco_Easts]

Being allowed to dismiss a hireling you didn't pay for would undermine someone elses activity and cash. That is a nono.

Summoning a hireling in someone else's group is undermining their activity and possibly their XP. You are effectively inviting another "player" in without going through the party leader. THAT is a no no.

What if you were a mercenary and had a
favorite weapon. A very expensive, bad ***weapon. And some ******bag was just allowed to take it away from you? Not very nice.

Not even close.

Party leaders reserve the right to eject people but not to waste other people's money. At least not directly.

Ok, the leader reserves the right to eject people. How do they eject a hireling?

[mws2970]

Ok, the leader reserves the right to eject people. How do they eject a hireling?

Drop group and reform w/o the person who brought in the hireling.

[stoopid_cowboy]

Summoning a hireling in someone else's group is undermining their activity and possibly their XP. You are effectively inviting another "player" in without going through the party leader. THAT is a no no.

This is my point EXACTLY!

Drop group and reform w/o the person who brought in the hireling.

Why should I have to recall midway through the quest I started because a ****** won't dismiss his/her hireling? Yes, I understand the risks of letting PuG's join my group. But I also understand the need to teach new players the game. I feel that part of teaching new players is to educate them when it is appropriate to summon a hireling.
BYOH does NOT mean summon a cleric hireling!!!!!!!!! This seems to be a trend on Sarlona (typically with low level barbs and fighters). Party leader should have the ability to remove said hireling to be able to make room for a REAL cleric.

Being allowed to dismiss a hireling you didn't pay for would undermine someone elses activity and cash. That is a nono.

All that person has to do it ask if it is ok. Or, they could start their own party. I would never bring myself to summon a hireling in someone else's party.

What if you were a mercenary and had a
favorite weapon. A very expensive, bad ***weapon. And some ******bag was just allowed to take it away from you? Not very nice.

Put down the crackpipe dood

yuda

[mws2970]

Why should I have to recall midway through the quest I started because a ****** won't dismiss his/her hireling? Yes, I understand the risks of letting PuG's join my group. But I also understand the need to teach new players the game. I feel that part of teaching new players is to educate them when it is appropriate to summon a hireling. yuda

If an actual pugger is bad enough, I would recall and reform without them. Why not for some ***hat who brings in a hireling w/o asking?

That being said, I am not trying to troll or start an argument. In fact, I agree with your point. I was simply answering someones question.

[stoopid_cowboy]

That being said, I am not trying to troll or start an argument. In fact, I agree with your point. I was simply answering someones question.

I never had a doubt.

yuda

[Bodic]

Simply put if your joining an LFM you should ask before summoning a Hireling.

Its called Repect my Authoritie

[licho]

With all con and pros, im up to allowing leaders to dismiss players hire.
Of course that could lead to situacion when smb brings hire and can have his own nanybot which steals place for real player, however... at first he not ask group if can bring hire, and futhermore he did so in situacion where its inconvienient for others (like 6th spot, or another healer in team of cleric) so he already did smth unpleasant. So there is not need to make sure nothing offends him, if he do not mind offending others.

I suppose that will learn ppl fast to ask if they can bring hire, or at least do not do so in some situacions.

[Falco_Easts]

Drop group and reform w/o the person who brought in the hireling.

And this is the action I would take.

Instead of all the rubbish about wasting someone elses money, send a confirmation required to the party leader. Have it in party chat (same as someone requesting to join your LFM) rather then a pop up box which could be used for griefing.

GimpPlayer wishes to summon a hireling. Allow / Refuse

[pokeoutyoureardrums]

Well, in all fairness due to the main subject of the thread, you make a point. Bringing one in without permission is a nuisance and under that circumstance a leader should be allowed to dimiss them. But how would the game engine know if it was permissed or not?

Until they work that out, regrouping without the bringer seems to be the only feasible suggestion. Or maybe adding "no hires" to your lfm notice.

Put down the crackpipe dood

yuda

That made me lol. Hey, my analogy is better than some I've seen.