Keep Tomes when TRing

[dkyle]

I suppose you do have a point there. The only suggestion in this thread that I see that would make some sense would be the tomes to be added to your TR cache and not automatically included in your stats. Since tomes now have ML it wouldn't be too difficult to implement.

This would be a good solution. I think everyone agrees that getting a +3 or +4 at level one, from a previous life's tome would be out of line.

[Impatiens]

This would be a good solution. I think everyone agrees that getting a +3 or +4 at level one, from a previous life's tome would be out of line.

Yes, most definitely. That would be more than slightly ridiculous. I edited my original post a while back to indicate that I thought the best solution would be to have a +3 or +4 tome waiting in your cache if you had eaten one in a previous life. It seems the simplest and most fair way to do it.

[Caeldos]

Wouldn't a simple solution be to store the data of which tomes have been used in previous lives, then upon the usage of a Supreme Ability Tome you get the ordinary ability bonus connected to this tome AND previous tomes of higher power are activated. Essentially the supreme tomes would add their current bonus and if the character had the effects of any tomes in their previous life, also applying the bonuses of these at the corresponding minimum levels.

This would require using supreme tomes, making Turbine money in off them in the store. Particularly the supreme attribute tomes become truly supreme. It also makes TRing characters more attractive to many players as they would not permanently lose their hard earned higher power tomes.

Thus a character having had the effects of a +3 tome of strength, a +4 tome of constitution and a +2 tome of charisma their previous life reads a +1 tome of supreme ability, it now gains the +1 stats of the supreme tome to every stat (ml 3) and counts as having read a +2 tome of charisma (taking effect at level 7), a +3 tome of strength (taking effect at level 11) as well as the effects of a +4 tome of constitution (taking effect at level 15).

The incentive to buy and use +2 supreme tomes the first life would become fairly high since the +2 effect can be reinstated more cheaply than buying a new one through the usage of a +1 supreme tome. +1 supreme tomes would be necessary every life to retain the tomes of previous lives (not reactivating the tomes would cause them to be lost upon TRing again).


I believe a system like this would increase TRing, and thereby sales of hearts of wood as well as supreme tomes. Possibly it might also increase sales of less popular packs, since there would be more TRed players longing for variation (this would depend on not rushing back to 20 as fast as possible, increasing replay value of low levels).

[dkyle]

This would require using supreme tomes, making Turbine money in off them in the store. Particularly the supreme attribute tomes become truly supreme. It also makes TRing characters more attractive to many players as they would not permanently lose their hard earned higher power tomes.

This strikes me as excessively greedy. I do not want such potent character enhancements only being available from the store. That takes us too close to the "pay to win" model of traditional F2P MMOs. DDO is supposed to be different than that.

My suggestion was that we might need a +2 tome, of some sort, in a stat to regain the use of a past life tome for that stat. This way, the requirement can be satisfied both in-game, and through the store.

[xxHazexx]

/Signed.

[Ravoc-DDO]

/signed, but on character bound tomes and/or +3/+4 tomes only.

[NaturalHazard]

/signed, but on character bound tomes and/or +3/+4 tomes only.

same /signed

[waterboytkd]

/signed on the notion that +3 and +4 tome bonuses can be unlocked at levels 11 and 15, respectively, by consuming a +2 tome in the corresponding stat. seems like the best of both worlds for both Turbine and the players.

[MoreIdiotThanSavant]

I've been thinking about this concept too, and I think it would be a good thing.

I just now got this idea on how to implement it: add an item to the store called "Journal of Acquired Knowledge", and charge an appropriate amount of TPs for it. Only purchasable if you have +3/+4 tomes applied. The description reads "The blank pages of this tome flicker, and you glimpse a silhouette of yourself as you flip through them. You feel with the help of a scribe you might be able to record some of the lessons you've learned and save them for future generations".

A new NPC is introduced somewhere appropriately called "Historian", "Scribe", or something to that extent. If you possess the above item, you can pay him a large amount of plat to record an already applied tome bonus into your journal (only +3 and +4 bonuses are recordable). The journal can hold multiple stat bonuses, up to one for each stat, but they must be recorded individually. A higher bonus will override a lower, as per usual. Recording a +4 tome bonus would cost maybe 1-2 million plat.

When you TR, the journal will end up in your Reincarnation Cache. It can be used at any level. Using it destroys it, and its bonuses will apply gradually, at the respective minimum level, just as they do when you LR/GR. These bonuses count as regular tome bonuses, so if you would wish to TR again, after using your journal, you can purchase another one from the store and record your tomes once again. HOWEVER, if this is the plan, you could also refrain from using the Journal this life, and save it for the next.

This system would save people a lot of grief deciding whether to TR or apply rare tomes, while also serving as a major, and much needed, plat sink. It would ALSO generate revenue for Turbine.

Any thoughts on this?

[Raodin-bel-iori]

Yea, I'm for keeping tomes on TR. They're so darn hard to get your hands on as it is who'd want to just toss them or junk the effects.

[Waukeen]

/not signed

[Impatiens]

/not signed

Any particular reason? Just saying /not signed, or /signed for that matter, really does nothing to further the discussion. This isn't a petition, it's a discussion thread

[Aeolwind]

Main reason I see this not happening, is that +2 supreme tome sales would suffer. As it stands, they can get a True Heart and a +2 Supreme Tome for every TR, vs earning +3/4 tomes for no TP other than the pack purchases.

It would def be nice though.

[Impatiens]

Main reason I see this not happening, is that +2 supreme tome sales would suffer. As it stands, they can get a True Heart and a +2 Supreme Tome for every TR, vs earning +3/4 tomes for no TP other than the pack purchases.

It would def be nice though.

The thing is many people will still use +2s at level seven even if they have a better tome to use later on, especially int tomes or tomes needed to get stats high enough to unlock specific feats. And keep in mind this suggestion is only to allow raid loot +3s and +4s to stay though TR, not +1s and +2s since, yes, Turbine would probably lose out on money if people got to keep the lower level tomes.

They can get a true heart and a +2 supreme tome for every TR, but I know I've TRed three times and never used a +2 supreme tome because I always have a lot of +2s that I've looted in game. I would probably TR more times if I could keep +3 and +4 tomes on characters. I feel like Turbine would make more revenue by allowing +3 and +4 tomes to be kept through TRs and it would also make a lot of people happy if they could use that +4 they had been hanging on to but were too afraid to use in case some new race or class were added that they wanted to TR in to.