Etiquette Rant

[biggin]

I try to be a nice guy, I really do. But when you hit a LFM, be ready to quest. If you need a ride out to Meridia, don't wait until the entire party steps in to let us know. If you want to level before a quest, go do that THEN hit the LFM. Go buy your pots/scrolls/etc in the downtime between quests. If it's mission essential, like say curse pots, let someone know as soon as you join what you plan on doing. Someone may have a stack, if you are #12 the divine might tell you not to worry about it, he'll take care of you. We all faceplant from time to time on resources, it happens. Just don't punish a party because you forgot.

The point is, when people put up a LFM it means, "Join if you want to run this quest", not "Join then go do character maintenance." People don't have to be ***** if you don't give them a reason.

[EKKM]

+1 - another annoying thing is running for ship buffs for easy quests while everyone is waiting for you.

[Missing_Minds]

+1 - another annoying thing is running for ship buffs for easy quests while everyone is waiting for you.

This one irks me to no end, guildie or no.

heck, the only time I ever try to remember ship buffs is when I go out to sell stuff in mass.

[NinjaCereal]

+1 - another annoying thing is running for ship buffs for easy quests while everyone is waiting for you.

This.
Out of all the reasons why a person delays in getting to the quest, this is what annoys me the most. I mean I can understand if the person is new to the quest and doesn't know what to expect, but when those who have run it 100 times insist on ship buffs....

Even worse is when everyone else is inside already and the last person refuses to enter unless someone invites them to their ship for buffs.
I've had that happen on a shroud run before.

How did people survive before the guild ships existed?!

[Chai]

How did people survive before the guild ships existed?!

How did people survive before the guild ships, casual difficulty, dungeon scaling, debuff nerfs, and buying quest completions from the DDO store?

[Cardtrick]

Even worse is when everyone else is inside already and the last person refuses to enter unless someone invites them to their ship for buffs.
I've had that happen on a shroud run before.

Whoah . . . I've had that happen on a Shroud before, too. I thought it must have been the same one (how many people can be that inconsiderate?). But we're apparently on different servers (mine happened on Cannith). I really couldn't believe the guy at the time, and to learn that there are more of them . . . That's appalling.

[KingOfCheese]

Even worse is when everyone else is inside already and the last person refuses to enter unless someone invites them to their ship for buffs.
I've had that happen on a shroud run before.

Hmmm. Ultimatums and not in the quest yet. Here's my response (keeping in mind that I generally fall on the "nice guy" side of the continuum).

Me: are you serious?
Them: yes.

Ding. Dropped from group.

[zwiebelring]

Running the quest right now or running the quest some other later time?

People may be very far away from a particular quest area and have to reach there first so they hit the LFM to be in and not wasting their time!! (yes, even people who are willing to help and support a group waste time with moving from A to B) frorm running there and when they arrive the group has filled or their class is not wanted any more. So they are in and then move towards quest which will take another 2 minutes.

This is totally acceptable imho. Please read my post again and with less aggressive interpretation. I do not question the OPs right to start according to his time available I question the expectation, that everyone has to be within seconds at the dungeon entrance which is simply not possible every time.

Being lazy is totally different and even for that I gave an answer to the example of the Reaver Raid. But thing is, it is still possible to edit the LFMs subtext. If you do not want to make yourself clear, like what you expect out of possible members then you have to live with dissappointments.

[biggin]

People may be very far away from a particular quest area and have to reach there first so they hit the LFM to be in and not wasting their time!! (yes, even people who are willing to help and support a group waste time with moving from A to B) frorm running there and when they arrive the group has filled or their class is not wanted any more. So they are in and then move towards quest which will take another 2 minutes.

This is totally acceptable imho. Please read my post again and with less aggressive interpretation. I do not question the OPs right to start according to his time available I question the expectation, that everyone has to be within seconds at the dungeon entrance which is simply not possible every time.

Being lazy is totally different and even for that I gave an answer to the example of the Reaver Raid. But thing is, it is still possible to edit the LFMs subtext. If you do not want to make yourself clear, like what you expect out of possible members then you have to live with dissappointments.

But that's my point. Once you hit a LFM you need to start making your way to a quest unless there is something quest specific you need and you let someone know. I don't boot people for not being at the quest entrance when they hit the LFM, but if they were number 4 in, we take 10 minutes to fill, and I'm waiting 5-10 minutes in a quest for you to show up, that's almost 1/2 hour to get over to us. You can easily get ship buffs and get anywhere in 5 minutes tops, and that's being very generous.

Let's take another example and show the difference. Let's say you join another guild/channels raid. Most of the time if they are waiting on a few they tell you up front, "Hey we have 3 guys finishing up a raid, mind waiting for about 15?" I don't think anyone would mind unless they had something really pressing or time sensitive like having to leave for work, etc. Just that little up-front honesty and courtesy goes a long way.

[tgun]

People may be very far away from a particular quest area and have to reach there first so they hit the LFM to be in and not wasting their time!! (yes, even people who are willing to help and support a group waste time with moving from A to B) frorm running there and when they arrive the group has filled or their class is not wanted any more. So they are in and then move towards quest which will take another 2 minutes.

This is totally acceptable imho. Please read my post again and with less aggressive interpretation. I do not question the OPs right to start according to his time available I question the expectation, that everyone has to be within seconds at the dungeon entrance which is simply not possible every time.

Being lazy is totally different and even for that I gave an answer to the example of the Reaver Raid. But thing is, it is still possible to edit the LFMs subtext. If you do not want to make yourself clear, like what you expect out of possible members then you have to live with dissappointments.

It's not ok to waste other people's time so that you dont waste yours. It takes 2min to get from anywhere in the game to anywhere else. If you arent rdy to run a quest within 3-5min of joining a lfm, dont join the LFM. Less if you are the last one to join and the group is full.

Noone in the whole thread has complained about the time it takes to run to the quest after you join IF you are running straight to the quest and not selling, repairing, maintaining inv., getting ship buffs, leveling, resetting enhancements, etc.

When someone puts up a LFM they ARE making themselves clear, they are saying they want to run this quest now, not 2hrs from now, not tomm., not next week, but now when they are actually logged in and looking for more.

[NinjaCereal]

Hmmm. Ultimatums and not in the quest yet. Here's my response (keeping in mind that I generally fall on the "nice guy" side of the continuum).

Me: are you serious?
Them: yes.

Ding. Dropped from group.

I think they were dropped if I remember right. I wasn't leading the group but I know the person who was isn't one to take that kind of stuff from people.

[Ttip]

I never have that problem when I post a LFM...all mine say, "in Progress" and if someone joins, good for them...if they don't make it, their loss. I might wait for a few minutes after posting to actually go into the quest...but I wait for no one unless they communicate a valid reason for a travel delay....i.e."I am in Meridia now, but on my way, meet ya in Necro."

[BattleCircle]

+1 - another annoying thing is running for ship buffs for easy quests while everyone is waiting for you.

Absolutely. I mean if you really absolutely have to have that freakin ship buff to be effective, chances are your are going to suck with or without them.

[Four20]

no doubt

[KingOfCheese]

Some people (thankfully its a small %) won't ever get this. There is a % of the population (not just this game--but real life or any other venture) that do not think about and/or care about others' inconveniences. They do whatever it is that they want. If you challenge them on it--they tend to maintain the self-centered approach and get mad that you are bothered by them.

Other than blacklisting them or putting up with it, I don't think there is a cure. From what I've seen, the blacklisting does not lead to education or behavior change--they block out the correlation and assume the blacklist was because of an issue the blocker has and not a problem caused by their own actions/behaviors.

[jortann]

I want to add something to this thread, but I need to go check something on the AH... I'll brb

[zwiebelring]

That is why I get shipbuffs before logging off. You are buffed, you join lfm, you do the quest and are happy because you won the roll for SoS.

Logg out on your ship fully buffed!

On the other hand, LFMs have no *I wanna run it right now*, you are searching for more members for a specific quest, that's it. If you are in a hurry, then just add it to the LFM. Etiquette works on 2 sides.

[biggin]

Ship buffs for easy quests, like say a group of 20's running a Reaver, is pretty ridiculous. The worst was a guy 3 days ago. He hit the LFM, went and took a level, then went to House J for spell components, for a 16-20 reaver on a cleric.

[Delt]

All my toons are fairly self-sufficient, so this is more an annoyance than a problem, but the amount of times I've heard "And if you need a fire resist, find a better guild" or something similar is like 1 outta 4 groups.

I'll wand myself or swap a piece of gear, but with dorks like that out there, it's hard to blame the average pugger out there for getting in the habit of ship buffing before every **** quest.

[zwiebelring]

You did not mention easy. That was a post below your OP.

He hit the LFM, went and took a level, then went to House J for spell components, for a 16-20 reaver on a cleric.

Step in, start quest, let him die on eles.

off topic:
my bardsongs are not shown, and it's stupid to ask other people if they see songs running off so they should tell me. I wanna do my job in my partyrole, other people have to pay attention to their role. Buffbar messes up heavily.

Shipbuffs I want to be removed:
all.

Exceptions:
exp. shrines, auction house, banker, mail, resistances.

being in a guild has become more of a parasitism on goodies than anything else.