Etiquette Rant

[Chai]

How did people survive before the guild ships existed?!

How did people survive before the guild ships, casual difficulty, dungeon scaling, debuff nerfs, and buying quest completions from the DDO store?

[tgun]

On the other hand, LFMs have no *I wanna run it right now*, you are searching for more members for a specific quest, that's it. If you are in a hurry, then just add it to the LFM. Etiquette works on 2 sides.

LFMs dont have 'I wanna run this quest next Tuesday at 8pm' button either but which do you think is most likely the intent? Running the quest right now or running the quest some other later time?

[justplayingthegame]

I try to be a nice guy, I really do. But when you hit a LFM, be ready to quest. If you need a ride out to Meridia, don't wait until the entire party steps in to let us know. If you want to level before a quest, go do that THEN hit the LFM. Go buy your pots/scrolls/etc in the downtime between quests. If it's mission essential, like say curse pots, let someone know as soon as you join what you plan on doing. Someone may have a stack, if you are #12 the divine might tell you not to worry about it, he'll take care of you. We all faceplant from time to time on resources, it happens. Just don't punish a party because you forgot.

The point is, when people put up a LFM it means, "Join if you want to run this quest", not "Join then go do character maintenance." People don't have to be ***** if you don't give them a reason.

agreed

[Clay]

Ship buffs for easy quests, like say a group of 20's running a Reaver, is pretty ridiculous. The worst was a guy 3 days ago. He hit the LFM, went and took a level, then went to House J for spell components, for a 16-20 reaver on a cleric.

just start it. Tell the guy you can either: a. get in the quest and get the loot, or b. go level, go shopping and maybe or maybe not get in before completion.

[KillEveryone]

Shr plz.

[Clay]

Impatience is a virtue and the #1 reason why I left that god awful server. Thanks for making my decision to move to another world a good one. Happy Hunting and try to be a bit more patient. Not everyone is up to running quests with you and your uber pals. Peace.

On behalf of Thelanians everywhere I would like to extend a heartfelt and sincere apology for all the impatience that you experienced on this "god awful" server. Clearly the magnanimity, compassion and patience displayed in your post demonstrates that we must have lost a positive addition to the server's ranks.

Happy Hunting and try not to worry too much about what happens on Thelanis without your light of inspiration. Not everyone is up to running quests with you and your virtuous pals. Peace.

[PopeJual]

Thing is. Not everyone is a vet.
Sometimes, newbs like to try for raids as well. And they would much rather be fully buffed and have all their components before going into one. After all, they'll probably get yelled at if they mess up in any way, and they don't really know if the raid will be 'easy'.

And what's easy for you may well be difficult for them.

I absolutely understand wanting to have the important ship buffs and spell components, etc. when you go into a raid.

That's why I always make sure that I have enough spell components *BEFORE* I click on an LFM and why I don't hit an LFM when I'm about to level since it does take me a while to level sometimes.

I also take a while to mess around in my inventory and browse the AH. That's why I don't do it while I'm in a party.

As for the ship buffs - if it takes you 5 minutes to beat down the training dummy, then skip that one, run through your ship hitting any shrines you want and then use the ship's navigator or captain to get where you're going. That takes about 2 minutes. If there are 7/12 people in the party for the raid, then go ahead and do what you need to do. If you're number 11/12 or 12/12, then get your ass to the entrance and don't fart around.

And hang up your damned cell phone when you get to the front of the line so you can order your food. If your phone call is so important that you can't hang up, then get out of the line.

[Loromir]

I was in a shroud run last week, 9 of us in door waiting for 3 who were taking sweet time. Leader says, we roll in 30 secs...those three jumped in almost right away. I knew it would be a good run. Leader was not putting up with their mess.

[biggin]

just start it. Tell the guy you can either: a. get in the quest and get the loot, or b. go level, go shopping and maybe or maybe not get in before completion.

Wasn't my group or I wouldn't have had this story to tell because I wouldn't have waited. I was just curious where the guy was so I opened up my Who list, saw he was in Market, then went to House J so I became curious if he was lost, whereas he then decided to tell the group what he was doing. I kept expecting to see the boot, but to no avail. Not my group so I didn't say anything. I just didn't know if newer players were used people needing time to find the Houses/quest entrances so maybe they don't realize how rude it was to keep 11 players in a quest waiting while they ran errands.

[Cardtrick]

Even worse is when everyone else is inside already and the last person refuses to enter unless someone invites them to their ship for buffs.
I've had that happen on a shroud run before.

Whoah . . . I've had that happen on a Shroud before, too. I thought it must have been the same one (how many people can be that inconsiderate?). But we're apparently on different servers (mine happened on Cannith). I really couldn't believe the guy at the time, and to learn that there are more of them . . . That's appalling.

[KingOfCheese]

Even worse is when everyone else is inside already and the last person refuses to enter unless someone invites them to their ship for buffs.
I've had that happen on a shroud run before.

Hmmm. Ultimatums and not in the quest yet. Here's my response (keeping in mind that I generally fall on the "nice guy" side of the continuum).

Me: are you serious?
Them: yes.

Ding. Dropped from group.

[zwiebelring]

Running the quest right now or running the quest some other later time?

People may be very far away from a particular quest area and have to reach there first so they hit the LFM to be in and not wasting their time!! (yes, even people who are willing to help and support a group waste time with moving from A to B) frorm running there and when they arrive the group has filled or their class is not wanted any more. So they are in and then move towards quest which will take another 2 minutes.

This is totally acceptable imho. Please read my post again and with less aggressive interpretation. I do not question the OPs right to start according to his time available I question the expectation, that everyone has to be within seconds at the dungeon entrance which is simply not possible every time.

Being lazy is totally different and even for that I gave an answer to the example of the Reaver Raid. But thing is, it is still possible to edit the LFMs subtext. If you do not want to make yourself clear, like what you expect out of possible members then you have to live with dissappointments.

[Adrian99]

Impatience is a virtue and the #1 reason why I left that god awful server. Thanks for making my decision to move to another world a good one. Happy Hunting and try to be a bit more patient. Not everyone is up to running quests with you and your uber pals. Peace.

Because... look at what we're dealing with man, we're dealing with fools and trolls. You know? Dealing with soft targets, and it's just strafing runs in our underwear before the first cup of coffee because we don't have _time_ for these clowns

[wolflordnexus]

And hang up your damned cell phone when you get to the front of the line so you can order your food. If your phone call is so important that you can't hang up, then get out of the line.

Thank You There aren't enough +1's to give you for this statement

[biggin]

People may be very far away from a particular quest area and have to reach there first so they hit the LFM to be in and not wasting their time!! (yes, even people who are willing to help and support a group waste time with moving from A to B) frorm running there and when they arrive the group has filled or their class is not wanted any more. So they are in and then move towards quest which will take another 2 minutes.

This is totally acceptable imho. Please read my post again and with less aggressive interpretation. I do not question the OPs right to start according to his time available I question the expectation, that everyone has to be within seconds at the dungeon entrance which is simply not possible every time.

Being lazy is totally different and even for that I gave an answer to the example of the Reaver Raid. But thing is, it is still possible to edit the LFMs subtext. If you do not want to make yourself clear, like what you expect out of possible members then you have to live with dissappointments.

But that's my point. Once you hit a LFM you need to start making your way to a quest unless there is something quest specific you need and you let someone know. I don't boot people for not being at the quest entrance when they hit the LFM, but if they were number 4 in, we take 10 minutes to fill, and I'm waiting 5-10 minutes in a quest for you to show up, that's almost 1/2 hour to get over to us. You can easily get ship buffs and get anywhere in 5 minutes tops, and that's being very generous.

Let's take another example and show the difference. Let's say you join another guild/channels raid. Most of the time if they are waiting on a few they tell you up front, "Hey we have 3 guys finishing up a raid, mind waiting for about 15?" I don't think anyone would mind unless they had something really pressing or time sensitive like having to leave for work, etc. Just that little up-front honesty and courtesy goes a long way.

[tgun]

People may be very far away from a particular quest area and have to reach there first so they hit the LFM to be in and not wasting their time!! (yes, even people who are willing to help and support a group waste time with moving from A to B) frorm running there and when they arrive the group has filled or their class is not wanted any more. So they are in and then move towards quest which will take another 2 minutes.

This is totally acceptable imho. Please read my post again and with less aggressive interpretation. I do not question the OPs right to start according to his time available I question the expectation, that everyone has to be within seconds at the dungeon entrance which is simply not possible every time.

Being lazy is totally different and even for that I gave an answer to the example of the Reaver Raid. But thing is, it is still possible to edit the LFMs subtext. If you do not want to make yourself clear, like what you expect out of possible members then you have to live with dissappointments.

It's not ok to waste other people's time so that you dont waste yours. It takes 2min to get from anywhere in the game to anywhere else. If you arent rdy to run a quest within 3-5min of joining a lfm, dont join the LFM. Less if you are the last one to join and the group is full.

Noone in the whole thread has complained about the time it takes to run to the quest after you join IF you are running straight to the quest and not selling, repairing, maintaining inv., getting ship buffs, leveling, resetting enhancements, etc.

When someone puts up a LFM they ARE making themselves clear, they are saying they want to run this quest now, not 2hrs from now, not tomm., not next week, but now when they are actually logged in and looking for more.

[protokon]

Impatience is a virtue and the #1 reason why I left that god awful server. Thanks for making my decision to move to another world a good one. Happy Hunting and try to be a bit more patient. Not everyone is up to running quests with you and your uber pals. Peace.

Respect the time limit. That is the most important thing.

Your sense of entitlement to wasting other people's time is a good reason we are glad you are gone. Peace

[Elaril]

And hang up your damned cell phone when you get to the front of the line so you can order your food. If your phone call is so important that you can't hang up, then get out of the line.

And when the light turns green, especially if you are at a left turn signal, GO!!! You don't have to think about it, green means the same thing every time.

[Yagi]

I keep forgetting that the guild stuff exists...I keep scrolling everywhere and paying normal vendor prices for items ><

[Mr_Ed7]

What about the NEXT quest then...can we get buffs then?

I mean is there not generally a lull or grace period before the quest begins...you mean all 5 of the party members that joined you are expected to be ready to go at the same time? How does that work?

I dunna know...start without them perhaps or boot them...after all they are obviously not in the dungeon.