Sins Elite Elitism

[TheDearLeader]

I ask this as neutrally as possible:

Is it "Elitist" to decline a level 20 Pew-Pew Ranger with 280 HP for a Sins Elite group?

I was neither the Ranger, nor the decliner.

So what's the consensus, Sarlona?

[Zilta]

not on sarlona but with that low hp I would decline someone on a normal sins run

[BlackSteel]

Not on Sarlona, but dont think I'd take anyone with that low HP into a Sins elite group, no matter what the class.

[MsEricka]

Yes, yes I would decline them. And in fact I did

[Viking707]

I'd take him for the entertainment value.

[DrNuegebauer]

I'd take him for the entertainment value.

It doesn't last very long with 280hp though!

The entertainment is pew pew ding.

Surely nobody is ressing that?

[Entelech]

The only way somebody like that is surviving is to either (1) do no DPS, in which case decline him, or (2) run around like a cheerleader in a B-grade horror flick. In which case, decline him, /squelch him, and shoot his dog.

/shudder.

[sirgog]

The only way somebody like that is surviving is to either (1) do no DPS, in which case decline him, or (2) run around like a cheerleader in a B-grade horror flick. In which case, decline him, /squelch him, and shoot his dog.

/shudder.

+1 for making me laugh.

The only way they could be a useful party member in elite Sins with 280hp is if they had enough AC to be almost untouchable, which (IIRC) is in the low or mid 80s in elite Amrath.

Anyone that can achieve a ~83 AC would know the merits of HP.

[Faent]

I'd take him for the entertainment value.

This. I can solo Sins Elite on my ranger, and have no problems keeping myself alive without a cleric (and killing everything, if I have to) in a six-man group. So yes, I'd bring them in for the entertainment value. It'd also be an edumacational experience for them. "OMG, that ranger isn't taking damage and is leading the kill count!?!?! WHY DO I SUCK SO MUCH? !?!?!" If I was running it on my FvS, I'd probably tell them to hang back since I won't be healing them. Then either just grind everything up in BB's or heal the competent players while they have fun killing stuff.

[Astraghal]

I can solo Sins Elite on my ranger

What kind of AC are you getting?

[NaturalHazard]

I'd take him for the entertainment value.

with 280 he should go ding a lot in elite, haha, but then again im sure hes use to it.

[Aeolwind]

with 280 he should go ding a lot in elite, haha, but then again im sure hes use to it.

Would sound like a cash register, or one of those annoying timer bells from a 1970's era game show.

[elujin]

just take him along and have fun .

and if you want to be eliteist about it a true elitist doesn't build a party he makes an audience of 5 people to watch him do the quest and conter dungeaon scaling.

[NaturalHazard]

Would sound like a cash register, or one of those annoying timer bells from a 1970's era game show.

I love it when you get ultra squishy AA's that never put the bow down, kite like crazy people and defend their hp total because they are such great kiters they never get hit, then they go to the vale and amarath with enemies that teleport to them, , I love those devils and orthons!!!

[Dozen_Black_Roses]

Not elitist....by amrath (well really way before, but being generous here) any class needs more hp than that. And then add in you are doing elite..unacceptable.

[CanuckWench]

If they have less HP then the caster or healer .... not only would I decline I would maybe ask him if he needs help fixing his character

[Vellrad]

If they have less HP then the caster or healer .... not only would I decline I would maybe ask him if he needs help fixing his character

What if caster got 500+ HP?
I know a lot of meeles with 400-450 HP max

[rheincan]

The sadness in the question is why are you asking the hit points of a character when you put a lfm? If the ranger wants to play with 280 HP, that's his problem not yours.

We know that an elven ranger will not have a lot of HP but the points are done somewhere maybe in strength or in dexterity and that means he must be good at the group while doing his job.

If you run Sins of Attrition in elite, you will more need a good healer and not a dumber who lets his companion dying (sorry that's easy) and a good leader.

The greatest challenge in this game isn't playing with a group of friends or very well stuffed players but with a pug or a group with random players and succeeding a hard quest.

The most beautiful encounters are those when you discover new players or guys you don't usually meet when you go in this game.

The greatest achievement is when you have a tell for thanking you of leading a raid or a quest of flagging a little bit difficult such as quests in amrath, not running the 20th Tower of despair or the 30th epic dragon.

[Towrn]

What if caster got 500+ HP?
I know a lot of meeles with 400-450 HP max

My caster has 500+ HP. Just saying

[Tobril]

Depends if the whole group is going or if someone is just soloing to help people with favor.

Since you myddo'd the character in question it sounds like you planned on everyone contributing. On elite this requires people having their heads on straight and coming prepared.

A case could be made for if this character was in his haggle underwear, perhaps a few tells would have been appropriate.

Then again, if you didn't know their name/guild and their myddo looked like a "sabotage" character ala Ho********gun from back in the day then you probably saved yourself a lot of trouble.