To the Jerks

[Kourier]

fixed it for you.

The non-epic chrono gear is a bit odd, though.

[Adrian99]

Sorry do not wanna come across as a whiner.
Just needed to vent thats all.
Jeez you guys are rough

Based on a random sample of forum comments from various internet sites, I would have to conclude that this is one of the least rough forums in existence, if not the absolute least. Unlike Mr. T, the internet does not pity the fool. Although now that I think about it, didn't he really mean to say that he _didn't_ pity the fool? Cause that's how it comes off.

[Kaeldur]

Hi, welcome to Thelanis.

[Minttunator]

No offense or anything, but a first glance at your myDDO and I can understand why they didn't take you. That doesn't really say anything about your skill or ability to follow directions, but your build and gearout are different from what people expect...

Sorry for the noob question (I'm still a noob, trying to learn though ), but what's wrong with his build and gear? I don't know what people judge others by at the level cap, but at my level it's Fort and HP, which the thread starter seems to have covered. Would he need to have certain types of weapons? Higher attack bonus? Something else?

[Robi3.0]

Based on a random sample of forum comments from various internet sites, I would have to conclude that this is one of the least rough forums in existence, if not the absolute least. Unlike Mr. T, the internet does not pity the fool. Although now that I think about it, didn't he really mean to say that he _didn't_ pity the fool? Cause that's how it comes off.

Mr T pity'd the fool cause he was fixing to give that fool a horrendous ass beating. So there was defiant pity coming from Mr T

[Philibusta]

Mr T pity'd the fool cause he was fixing to give that fool a horrendous ass beating. So there was definat pity coming from Mr T

Or did Mr T pity the fool cause that fool was "lookin' mighty cute in them jeans, boy!" and Mr T was fixin to give the fool a......wait this forum is family-friendly. Nevermind.

[SaIamander]

See this is the kind of post that makes me love myDDO! From the info I gathered when I MyDDO'd you I can deduce that you have run at a maximum 4 epics. The Snitch, The Black Loch, The Last Stand and possibly EDQ. I know this because in the list of quests that you have completed since you capped there are only 4 that epic is available on.

As for your build/gear whatever...ya it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but to each their own. As you stated before epics go best when people work as a team; that being said I can see why they booted you with your i've run tons of epics (lie) and never had an issue before (i was carried in a backpack) attitude. Keep in mind that the "epic" community on thelanis is relatively small, so instead of getting all snippy when people comment on your gear or build it may be better to ask why and take some constructive criticism from them rather than throwing a tantrum on the forums and being excluded permanently

just my 2cp

[karl_k0ch]

Sorry for the noob question (I'm still a noob, trying to learn though ), but what's wrong with his build and gear? I don't know what people judge others by at the level cap, but at my level it's Fort and HP, which the thread starter seems to have covered. Would he need to have certain types of weapons? Higher attack bonus? Something else?

I hope, we are talking about a 17 fighter/3 rogue build.

Look which benefits are given by the 17th level of fighter: +1 BAB. No feat, no enhancements, no saves. Just +1 BAB. Are there Classes of which one level grants more bonuses than just +1 BAB? If yes, then there is a strictly better choice for that level than fighter.
Also a 3rd level of rogue does not add too much - +1 BAB, +1 Fort, +1 Will, +1D6 Sneak Attack damage. All of which is nice, but which diminishes compared to the bonuses of the Kensai III PrE.

Both 16 Fighter/4 Rogue or 18 Fighter/2 Rogue would make more sense than 17/3. The former dealing being able to make traps (epic claw comes to my mind) and having 2D6 SA damage, the latter one having one more feat and access to the Kensai III PrE.

[SaIamander]

Sorry for the noob question (I'm still a noob, trying to learn though ), but what's wrong with his build and gear? I don't know what people judge others by at the level cap, but at my level it's Fort and HP, which the thread starter seems to have covered. Would he need to have certain types of weapons? Higher attack bonus? Something else?

Full plate on a rogue splash kinda screams idk what im doin. Meaning that rogues get evasion at lvl 2 but the OP is negating its value by wearing full plate

[TheDearLeader]

I hope, we are talking about a 17 fighter/3 rogue build.

Look which benefits are given by the 17th level of fighter: +1 BAB. No feat, no enhancements, no saves. Just +1 BAB. Are there Classes of which one level grants more bonuses than just +1 BAB? If yes, then there is a strictly better choice for that level than fighter.
Also a 3rd level of rogue does not add too much - +1 BAB, +1 Fort, +1 Will, +1D6 Sneak Attack damage. All of which is nice, but which diminishes compared to the bonuses of the Kensai III PrE.

Both 16 Fighter/4 Rogue or 18 Fighter/2 Rogue would make more sense than 17/3. The former dealing being able to make traps (epic claw comes to my mind) and having 2D6 SA damage, the latter one having one more feat and access to the Kensai III PrE.

I agree with this synopsis.

Fighter 18/Rogue 2 would have been a much better choice. Kensei III is the bomb diggety.

[Philibusta]

I agree with this synopsis.

Fighter 18/Rogue 2 would have been a much better choice. Kensei III is the bomb diggety.

Maybe 17/3 IS better then. Can't think of any reason why anyone with a fully-functional brain and any kind of self-respect would want to be associated with anything called "the bomb diggety"

OK but seriously, I agree too. 16/4 would have been better even, but 18/2 would have probably been the best option. Kensei III is a far cry better than an extra 1d6 Sneak Attack damage.

[Geonis]

/Popcorn

/moar salt!!!!111111oneone

[Solmage]

It is all about the team... and the team is only as strong as its weakest link. That particular team felt that you would be the weakest link and they didn't feel like carrying you. Not a big deal. Move on.

If you are as good as you say you are, and as experienced as you say you are... just start your own eDA groups. It's not even a raid. 5-6 people and you're good to go!

There are too many whiners. Start your own groups, and you will quickly learn that you have to be discriminating. While it's impossible to assess an unknown toon or player with perfect accuracy... some discretion must be used. If you don't believe me, just start your own group and take the first five that apply and see how smoothly and deathlessly you can run it.

^This, seriously.

[Sirea]

/moar salt!!!!111111oneone

Think the OP's tears are salty enough?

Don't forget the cheese and whine for the wahhbulance ride, either.

[TheDearLeader]

Bro, cool story.

Nice second post to the forums, btw. Start out ticking people off.

If you're that good at it, why not just set up your own LFM? More productive than whining here.

To the not one, but two, ninja-reddies to the above statement:

Thank you. My User CP was full of little green dots, and I was starting to worried that my Rep button might be broken. Test complete.

Sorry do not wanna come across as a whiner.
Just needed to vent thats all.
Jeez you guys are rough

Its best to vent to your friends. Even if they can be friendly, the people of the forum are not your friends.

I might have not let you in, either. I'm picky with my EDAs. The fact that they at least gave you an explanation for *why* they were letting you go is far better than others have done in their situation.

Although really? Posting this was a fun-filled way to put a target on your back. Sorry that a few people got bored, and pulled out their BB Guns. Be thankful it wasn't Bazooka day on the range?

[protokon]

Is it really that tough on Thelanis?

Yes.

Thick skin or go home. I learned this lesson myself a long, long time ago

[ArloOne]

Thelanis seems like fun..I am starting my transfer ASAP!

For those interested will be forming some epic chrono runs and booting people at random...PM to save a spot!

[Luacan]

How dare you start a thread using the word "jerk" and not have it mention me. I am THE jerk on Thelanis.
In other news just do what everybody else said. Go get better gear and or start your own group.

[blackdrowarcanenuts]

It is all about the team... and the team is only as strong as its weakest link. That particular team felt that you would be the weakest link and they didn't feel like carrying you. Not a big deal. Move on.

If you are as good as you say you are, and as experienced as you say you are... just start your own eDA groups. It's not even a raid. 5-6 people and you're good to go!

There are too many whiners. Start your own groups, and you will quickly learn that you have to be discriminating. While it's impossible to assess an unknown toon or player with perfect accuracy... some discretion must be used. If you don't believe me, just start your own group and take the first five that apply and see how smoothly and deathlessly you can run it.

Right said

[English_Warrior]

Sorry for the noob question (I'm still a noob, trying to learn though ), but what's wrong with his build and gear?

Many things on his myddo page suggest "I may not be suitable for epics":

1) He is about 100hp shy of where I would expect him to be at.
2) 17 Fighter 3 Rogue is a pretty poor split.
3) He has evasion but is wearing Full plate with an AC around only 30.
4) Reflex save seems a little low for an evasion toon.
5) His Dex is higher than his Strength.
6) No Greensteel.
7) He is wearing several sub-par set pieces from different sets.

As unfair as it may be....his myddo will keep him from be accepted by some players.