To: All the "Your loot is your loot" guys

[cpito]

Um... you do realize you're ranting and raving over pixels, right? That these pixels are not limited to duplicating just the Bard's Cloak?

I have no tools to handle it.

Obviously.

[Miahoo]

So... did the OP get denied the ability to roll on something? Im trying to wrap my head around whats going on in loot drama thread number 9000 here.

Well.. on the contrary..
I just really think the best for the group is what important.

I got a Gloves of the Glacier the other day, from a VoD run (still try my luck for tharne's... sigh ), i offer it for a roll, and got this:

... and then you hear about people being **** about there loots.
Could I use this gloves? maybe... someday.... Could I use those 100k ?? Hell yeah!!! I never got more than 200k, and even that last for like.. 1 hour?
Though, i have yet got to a situation when one get a loot i want, and for him to be a **** about it for the kicks when he doesnt need/cant use it anyway.

[Missing_Minds]

Thats exactly what this thread is all about.. "if you really believe". What does "your loot is your loot" means? I don't buy it. I believe for the good of the group first thing.

The 'group' means NOTHING as 'group' normally refers to a pug. "Your loot is your loot" is more powerful than "group leader decides loot" because the leader has NOTHING to control with loot.

If you believe in "for the good of the guild" or "for the good of your friends" and these are the people that comprise your "group", then sure. By the quality of "your loot is your loot" you can insure this "for the good of the guild/friends" idea.

Apparently you have issues separating pugs from allies, or you've got issues with people closer to you than random "pugs".

[Impaqt]

Well.. on the contrary..
I just really think the best for the group is what important.

I got a Gloves of the Glacier the other day, from a VoD run (still try my luck for tharne's... sigh ), i offer it for a roll, and got this:

... and then you hear about people being **** about there loots.
Could I use this gloves? maybe... someday.... Could I use those 100k ?? Hell yeah!!! I never got more than 200k, and even that last for like.. 1 hour?
Though, i have yet got to a situation when one get a loot i want, and for him to be a **** about it for the kicks when he doesnt need/cant use it anyway.

THis is about someone offering you 100k for a pair of gloves? you said, "no". they said "no problem"

complete and utter /drama fail

[Miahoo]

THis is about someone offering you 100k for a pair of gloves? you said, "no". they said "no problem"

complete and utter /drama fail

No its not. It was just an example (same with the imaginary story on the OP).
I'm honestly just saying my thoughts. I had no issue with no one.
Is that wrong nowdays? Should I have some in-game kicks in order to post a forum thread?

[Impaqt]

No its not. It was just an example (same with the imaginary story on the OP).
I'm honestly just saying my thoughts. I had no issue with no one.
Is that wrong nowdays? Should I have some in-game kicks in order to post a forum thread?

If your going to complain about something, yes, the etiquette is to actually have something to complain about.

[vVAnjilaVv]

A post like this coming right on the ending of an event where spectacular loot that compares to stuff you have to grind months sometimes for...is practically handed to us...what a joke.

[Miahoo]

If your going to complain about something, yes, the etiquette is to actually have something to complain about.

You right, maybe I wasnt clear with the meaning of it. After all, concentration is a cross-skill for rogues! (u get it? concentration..? .. nvm..)

Anyway, I did say on the OP:

This post is refer to the last occasions when the group had problems with a person who got a specific loot, and the choices he made about that specific loot.

And I'm not complaning. I was just trying to point, that, IMHO, when related to in-game (not talking about rl issues), the group comes first.


Edit: I just reread it. OK, i wasn't clear AT ALL! I hope the last posts cleared it out.

[Miahoo]

A post like this coming right on the ending of an event where spectacular loot that compares to stuff you have to grind months sometimes for...is practically handed to us...what a joke.

At least its not during the event


Edit: I had to grind the last minutes just because i missed most of it at least i got what i wanna (durring this last minute call)!

[Fejj]

Summary,

Quest finished
Player A gets Item A in chest
OP wants item A
Player B says all but OP can roll on item A
Player C rolls and wins

Then OP comes to forums to vent and point out an inconsistency with loot philosophy. (weather intended or not)
IF ---"Your loot is your loot"
Why --- Blacklist people for selling / trading raid loot
So ----"Your loot is your loot" as long as you follow my code of conduct

I realize that the above is not the issue, and I have distorted it, but the point is more clear. He was angry about loot roll decisions which excluded him, and is coming here to vent.

Then OP gets attacked by lots of posters for expressing frustration on loot drama

Is that about right??? Seems harsh to me. English is not his first language (obviously) and people here are taking words and twisting them to suit their own posts.

@ Missing Minds - Why does the group mean nothing? I play with a fairly large group of regular players. I raid in circles as best I can and have started to get to know lots of players. Best for the group is meaningful to me, If I plan to run raids on a certain night all the time, I'll start to see the same people night after night. Its still a PUG, but the pool of people is smaller. Good for the group means just that. If the Sorc I run with is stronger because of Item A, its better for my raids when he is there. I think good for the group was meant the same as "need before greed".

Perhaps I missed something, but it all just needs to be toned down a bit.

[Angel_Barchild]

No sarcasm intended. Can someone answer a question for me?

Hypothetically:

I group with X, he pulls bound to character raid item. He then does an action, with item I find unfair/disagree with.

It would seem to me that I should then not play with him again if I don't like some part of his behavior.

Am I wrong? Is the growing consensus that I should not have this opinion, and must group with him again?

Not sarcastic, and left intentionally vague, because reasons for said action seem to clog up discussions.

[Fejj]

It would seem to me that I should then not play with him again if I don't like some part of his behavior.

Depends on you

Your loot is your loot (in its purest form) - Who cares, its his loot

Your loot is your loot (as long as you follow my code of conduct) - Squelch and move on

For me, I really don't care. You'd have to do something pretty outrageous for me to put you on the "friends" list.

[Miahoo]

No sarcasm intended. Can someone answer a question for me?

Hypothetically:

I group with X, he pulls bound to character raid item. He then does an action, with item I find unfair/disagree with.

It would seem to me that I should then not play with him again if I don't like some part of his behavior.

Am I wrong? Is the growing consensus that I should not have this opinion, and must group with him again?

Not sarcastic, and left intentionally vague, because reasons for said action seem to clog up discussions.

Myself, I wouldn't participate and won't bid on it. As I find it Inappropriate.

Then again, it depands the situation. If the group decide this will be the process - then that how it should be.

Edit:
As for not playing with him ever again. Its your call, as you decide with who to play and when.

but that just my opinion, as some here seems to think it'd be unfair from you. and u're the one who need to be squelch

[Hambo]

Thats exactly what this thread is all about.. "if you really believe". What does "your loot is your loot" means? I don't buy it. I believe for the good of the group first thing.
You can also say "Its anyone right to play his toon his own way", I'm sure you dont wanna group with a 200HP fighter who use only thrown daggers.. right? but its his right!! if your really believe... bla bla bla...
Common.... shove that and play for the good of the group!


Why not? he got a loot and dont wanna share it with you - and with you ONLY! its his right. No matter the reason.
If your really believe your loot is your loot...


Iono what happen "Way back then" I'm a newb (or a noob, iono, u decide).

What you seem to have issues with grasping is that loot has nothing to do with the "good of the group" unless you are talking about a static group. Aside from epic drops most loot under question is awarded after the quest is finished and just before the group disbands in a lot of cases. Where do I benefit from a). losing part of my reward for running the quest -or- b). giving a share of my reward to someone I may never see again?

If you had one shread of honesty you would admit that what you really mean to say is "the good of the individual as long as it's me". You seem to feel that you are entitled to a second chance on items you have already lost the roll on, and that anyone who does win the first roll obviously cheated somehow.

[Miahoo]

What you seem to have issues with grasping is that loot has nothing to do with the "good of the group" unless you are talking about a static group.

Aye sir, its about a thread which been deleted (about some organized/epic group). And i didnt put it as if it got deleted maybe i shouldnt talk about it.

If you had one shread of honesty you would admit that what you really mean to say is "the good of the individual as long as it's me". You seem to feel that you are entitled to a second chance on items you have already lost the roll on, and that anyone who does win the first roll obviously cheated somehow.

lol. what?

[Missing_Minds]

@ Missing Minds - Why does the group mean nothing? I play with a fairly large group of regular players.

*snip*

Nope, you just need to read the first sentence and realize you are not doing a random pug, but controlled. You are playing with people on a consistent bases, not a one shot and never see again. You DO have a "group of friends" persay, so "for the best of the group" does have meaning.

[Hambo]

I feel like I'm reading the 2nd novel of a 3 novel series, without reading the first.

There's a story here that needs to be told before this story is told.

There's more to this than what it is being advertised.

No, it's the same story as all the other "I deserve your loot" posts that have ever existed

[Saravis]

This is fair, if the leader wishes to be upfront about him/her and whoever else in the party being whiny little babies when it comes to the looting at the end, then I can appreciate that. I appreciate them being so upfront about their immaturity and informing that running with them will be a complete waste of my time. I thank you for the invite and I shall take my leave.

Wow, I was under the impression that mature adults were playing on DDO, learn something new every day.

[Missing_Minds]

Wow, I was under the impression that mature adults were playing on DDO, learn something new every day.

Oh they are, but they are not the only players of the game.

[Yajerman01]

Disclaimer: You can run your quests/raids the way you wanna, and I have nothing to say about it. You group, your rules. cool

This post is refer to the last occasions when the group had problems with a person who got a specific loot, and the choices he made about that specific loot. okay?

I'll start by pointing my own opinion: Your loot is your loot. I agree. Whatever you decide to do with it, its fine. cool
What does that mean? well.. it means, that if u choose to give it to "Person A" or "Person B", I have nothing to do with it. cool Even if its my group - I have no tools to handle it. why would you care to handle it anyway? Anything you do with your loot is legal and I can't report about you to Turbine (I can, but the case will be gently ignored). I didn't think there was any legalities to be concerned of if its my loot.
With this said, I CAN do one thing (beside ranting all over the forums), and its not to group with you ever again (in case I know your alts). okay This is my right as its your right to do whatever you wanna with your loot. agreed. Can you see the logic? logic so far is straightforward Your loot is your loot as My group is my group. repeditive, but okay. And this time, ? its you who have nothing to do with it, and no tools to handle it (beside maybe, create a new toon, try hunt me down and **** me off - and this time I'll report you). I assume your talking about it being your group and rules as opposed to your group versus my loot?

I know some of you might not agree with this aspect. Depends on your aspect. Are you stating that I cannot loot my items if your rules dictate what I am supposed to do with my loot? In that regard I disagree. I have a question for you guys: Lets say you run some quest or raid. An item u need (never a need, its a game so its always a want) is dropped to a person, who decide to put it for rolls. Then this person say that everyone beside YOU can roll for it. (im cool with that, its no my loot) Why? no reason. maybe he just dislike you, your play style or maybe he think you didn't help enough with the quest. Now, how would you feel? (honesly i Dont care, it wasnt my loot to begin with and I never hold it personal, I will eventually get the loot I want anyway as I can run that quest as many times as I like)would you run any other quest with this person? (sure if they are capable individuals who know how to lead/play/run a quest/raid, why not) sure, you can discuss it with him, try to figure out why he deny you from rolling for this items. (dont care)does it matter now? (nope)you still didn't get the loot you really wanna (key word)and was looking for months only because some stupid reason. (stupid only to your view, maybe not to his/hers)

Long story short.
Its for the group [leader] to declare the group rules. (okay)Its for the groupies (lol, what?) to ask, understand and respect those rules. The group has its right not to group with you, as you have the right to do whatever you want with your loots, whatever it did or didn't meet the rules/criteria.


Thank you for your time.

M

Responses in yellow obviously. Sure you can make your rules and depending on the quest, in regard to loot dispersement I might oblidge it, but in no way shape or form, regardless of your rules, will I be dictated to if it is an item I want or want to give to soemone else.

You see, you cannot obtain desired loot without completion, and in that regard, I am in the same interest as the leader. That is where the similarities end because in the end if it is somethign desireable, I will not comport to your whims.

SO ban me, block me, refuse to let me in your group because in the end dictating how someone is to disperse their loot to other peopel will put you on the short list of desired puggers.

good luck though on that train of thought.