To what should i tr my FvS

[zwiebelring]

Hello community. This is my first thread here, so first let me thank you for many interesting discussions, character builds and views into the understanding of the DDO game mechanics and fun threads of course.

I start this thread because I am a bit stuck means unsure, what i should do with my FvS for his TR 1.

I am not a pro gamer (a rising one but ) and never did tr yet so i ate myself through some threads and DDO wiki for informations and plannings.

It turned out for me that considering the past life feat there is actually no interesting option which could benefit from it except another (divine) caster.

My FvS is, like many melee FvS, a WF specced on Greatsword. So my plan was going to tr him into a Paladin since i have much melee gear which would not be useless but instead most useful again.

But maybe and probably you have more interesting suggestions that did not come into my mind yet.

[Sabberlodd]

The answer to your question depends on what goals you have. For example do you want to go back to FvS eventually and gain some past life feats to improve your FvS? Or are you going for Completionist? Are you TRing because you like leveling up? Do you just want to try a new class? And so forth.
So, if you tell us your goal, we might be able to help you.

[zwiebelring]

Thank you for your reply.

My goal is to do a tr (first time at all) and go further with the THF melee concept. This toon is good enough for high lvl raiding atm which i do mostly for loot which i can shift then to other toons. So the base is set and i want to stick mainly to a melee type even more because i have my Min2 gs almost done.

Plan was:
High dps Paladin with exalted smite. I know TWF can do more but first i want to stick to my loot.

Ok, to specify my question: does it actually matter to consider the past life feat and is there a way as a melee e.g. Paladin to benefit from it? So far i think the answer is no.

But since here are so many component people maybe i havent thought about something.

[efreet5]

Does that mean you want to improve your toon by getting some past lives so that you can make him back into a FVS eventually or that you want to simply switch his classes to something with more dps?

If it's the first choice, then I would suggest acquiring either Fighter or Monk past life feats.

-The passive fighter pastlife feat would allow you to use WF Power Attack enhancements at no penalty if you were to TR 3x as a fighter. This increases your overall dps by allowing you to use the WF Power Attack enhancements at no penalty. Your to-hit would still go down 5 from using power attack, but the additional -3 to hit from taking the enhancements would be negated by the +3 to hit from the fighter pastlives.
-The passive monk pastlife feat grants you +1 dmg. With 3 lives as a monk you gain +3 dmg per hit.
-If you did both and used the WF power attack enhancements, then you would gain +3 damage per hit and more dps against high ac mobs when using power attack.

If it's the second choice, then paladin would work, but so too would fighter or barbarian.

Keep in mind that tring takes more time to level and if you're not a fast leveler and you want to primarily run high level content, then you may want to simply roll a new toon over tring.

[zwiebelring]

simply switch his classes to something with more dps?

This.

If it's the first choice, then I would suggest acquiring either Fighter or Monk past life feats.

-The passive fighter pastlife feat would allow you to use WF Power Attack enhancements at no penalty if you were to TR 3x as a fighter. This increases your overall dps by allowing you to use the WF Power Attack enhancements at no penalty. Your to-hit would still go down 5 from using power attack, but the additional -3 to hit from taking the enhancements would be negated by the +3 to hit from the fighter pastlives.
-The passive monk pastlife feat grants you +1 dmg. With 3 lives as a monk you gain +3 dmg per hit.
-If you did both and used the WF power attack enhancements, then you would gain +3 damage per hit and more dps against high ac mobs when using power attack.

Thanks for the input. I had only tr1 in mind so far. For a zerg-newbie more than enough i think. But i like the idea of the fighter. Maybe will do as tr2. Additionally Paladin past life seems very attractive to use it with a straight melee concept.

Keep in mind that tring takes more time to level and if you're not a fast leveler and you want to primarily run high level content, then you may want to simply roll a new toon over tring.

Yes, i keep that in mind but I am confident that time is no bigger concern because i duo most stuff with a friend. And yes, i might experience hell while leveling this toon. Anyway i want to do that and so i will manage.

Unfortunately I did not plan ahead as a tr before rolling the FvS so the more or less lost option for having ftr past life or similar melee support is a bit irritating. I like this toon and thought, just deleting was not acceptable.

[voodoogroves]

What sort of gear are you sitting on?

Another FVS could be entirely workable.

[voodoogroves]

Let me add a bit more as that last post was a bit sparse.


There is actually a degree of variability in WF FVS builds. Have you run it like a hate tank?

WF Bard is also very melee capable and fun.

[zwiebelring]

Okay, heres the build in a rough sketch:

Race:
WF

Class:
2 Mnk/ 18 FvS (PB 32)

hp:
499 so far without Shroud hp item, took all hp enhancements

sp:
1905/1810

Specialized on greatsword. Goal was to get a base where i can solo much content and are not depending on other groups till lets say lvl. 15 and then participate in high lvl. content to collect loot for twinks.

It worked out i soloed most of Giant Hold content and joined groups then. I have a Haggle Bard and a infrastsructure for money. I bought every content within 2 years except 3bc so i have actually all options for loot.

So, back to the FvS. I can heal (not as good as a dedicated healer ofc. which is kind of a haunt at high lvl since I am expected to fill main healer slot, anyway spell point management is still on to do list and I am learning ).

I dumped CHA to a Minimum of 10 and maxed out STR and CON. I ignored WIS totally.

My gear so far is:
Green Steel Greatsword Tier 2.
Minos
GFL item
Resitance +4 Cloak
upped Sora Kell ring
Greater Bold/Cunning Trinket (max. Tier both)
Chaosguard (just because I don't have anything else to fit in, still hoping on Etheral Bracers)
For healing i use sup. ardor clicky. I activate and then rush into melee by using quickened mass cures/heals if needed. Thanks to the event i carry several ornamented daggers to use maximize spell on redued mana cost as well which helps a lot to sp bar.

And ofc. i grabbed those event gloves and upped them to +7 STR.

So far, Bracers Goggles and Boots seem to be free for Shroudcrafting or any other good stuff.

Let me add a bit more as that last post was a bit sparse.


There is actually a degree of variability in WF FVS builds. Have you run it like a hate tank?

WF Bard is also very melee capable and fun.

I did not run as a hate tank (or any tank at all) because when i rolled him i did not know anything about that kind of aggro management. More like a self healing capable melee toon.

Bards are my most loved toons. My very first one still exists and runs Shrouds for mats. But another one i do not want to do. Tr-ing as a FvS came up to my mind as well but then i wonder if i go again with 2 Mnk for Evasion (find it really useful) or pure FvS. For pure FvS i already read the SoulSurvivor Build but maybe i stick to some more easy concept that is not too much depending on crafted items.

When tr-ing as a FvS i thought i max out WIS and again take 2 Mnk but another Race maybe, Half Orc seems valid, since WIS has no malus and Str is higher. Which gave me access to high DC spells as well as considerable THF dps.

[voodoogroves]

I think you should sit at cap a while longer, then take a look at the different WF FVS options. The capstone spell is pretty pointless but the DR is very nice - and it doesn't look like you've got any DR right now. If you've not run a DR beast like that, I think that alone would play very differently


Finish out your Min2
Get Resist 5 somewhere (DT armors)
Max out your 20th completions (VoD, HoX, etc.) - tons of good stuff there in the slots you're looking at

Make a Concordant Opposition greensteel item (either SP or HP)
Make a Non-ConOp greensteel with the other (SP / CHA skills or HP / CON skills)
Run DQ and get a Torc
Bracers: Leviks (HoX) ... also grab the Levik's Shield for when you're tanking
Goggles: Tharnes; if you're using the guantlets for STR put ConOp on the goggles


Your toon may be fun now, just wait until you gear it out more. All of that stuff (GreenSteel, HoX/VoD loot) comes online around 10-12.

Then TR to ANOTHER WF FVS. Expand your capabilities to maybe tank a bit. WF FVS can probably still surprise you.

[voodoogroves]

Oh and run VoN for your Sword. The Sword. You need a Sword of Shadow.

[zwiebelring]

Thanks for the input it really helps a lot.

and it doesn't look like you've got any DR right now.

Yes and no. I have the Gorgon's Docent (forgot to mention above, sry) and the weapon gives stoneskin as well. Further I have the Demon Queen Stoneskin Trinket. (...well it seems, i like that buff^^). So I have DR but not continously even if the Docent triggers a lot.

One question before I forget it again. On equipment guides i read alot of those *Amrath clickies* for sup. pot. 8. Where can i get those in Amrath? Or is the Eerie Belt meant with that?

Oh and run VoN for your Sword. The Sword. You need a Sword of Shadow.

It suprises me that anytime I am online with my Bard and questing (in a group) there is a lfm for VON but... my FvS just does not have luck to see one. But yes, this is important. Opening up a lfm for VON myself is still not my very first choice. I have made bad experiences with that raid. But before i start running for the chance of that sword i finish stuff i can be sure of it will be done soon like the Min2 weapon.

Run DQ and get a Torc

Doing as much as i can. My Bard got one .

Bracers: Leviks (HoX) ... also grab the Levik's Shield for when you're tanking
Goggles: Tharnes; if you're using the guantlets for STR put ConOp on the goggles

Yep. Doing it as well. Mostly for HOX-Bracers, the Shield seemed not of a big value to me atm because i actually are not built for tanking neither Intimidate or hate so the mobs probably just ignore me blocking and run to casters. But I may be wrong with that assumption.

Okay, Paladin seems not valid anymore I think I still have not had the fully potential of a FvS. Anyway I will stay on cap a little longer because this way I have 2 toons to run raids frequently.

[zwiebelring]

Thinking about the input here i guess i will stick to the idea of tring into an FvS again but with more game experience and a bit more of a goal other than melee/heals.

Thanks to you guys, you helped a lot.

[Bodic]

are you going 28->34 or 32->34 for your build points

you can go FvS again and have an increased stat assignment like more CHA so you can get more SP or even access to the higher tier spells as you need a 19CHA with items/enhancements for lvl 9 spells and if you started with a 6 CHA before then you could have barely seen the lvl 9 spells as in 6+3+4+6+3=22 and that is 3 exceptional and a +4 tome would be uber gear'd

of specail note: Once you go wings its hard to give up.

if you wanted to change class I would go into THF Ftr staying WF you give up heals, but make out better in DPS.

[zwiebelring]

It is 32 --> 34.

And yes, I will not give up wings^^. Anyway I am still unsure about the need of the DR. I never played as a tank so Evasion was more valuable for me and Stoneskin was enough for high lvl. content on norm at least but as a tank I guess you want to have continous damage reduction because stoneskin wears off too fast when you are turtleing/hateing 3 mobs or more. So either high AC (which is not easy with -2 WIS and ignoring Tomes) or DR.

With CHA I am fine. I start with 10, put +1 enhancement, +2 a Tome and a +6 item and I have the minimum of 19 for the spells.

I read many threads here about the pros and cons of DR and I guess it is again a matter of taste but well, I still have time before tr-ing, first I need some specific raid loot and some Shrouditems.

I started with CHA 10 as a PB 32 build and I think i will do that again. I do not calculate with +4 Tomes or +3 Tomes as guaranteed because in raids like ToD etc. you will not be able to participate as a newb (maybe if you have that sweet new shield^^). So I stick to +1 at least and some +2 purchased out of the ah.