Planning my Pally life

[Blank_Zero]

My TR's next life will be her pally life and I'm in need of some advice. My current idea is a thf helf koc, or go twf to use my min2 khopesh. One route will be toughness heavy with either fvs or barb dil. The other will be spread thin and feat starved, but will have very nice gear ready to go.

I'm open to any and all suggestions. I'll be a 36 point build with 2 ftr and a barb pl feats. I have all races and all packs, so farming gear this life is not an issue.

So I short, I would like a sample or full build with gear options/needs if you all would be so kind.

Thanks in advance!

[Calebro]

We'll talk tomorrow night.

[Blank_Zero]

We'll talk tomorrow night.

Can't wait Derek

[Zogdor]

Tbh, I'd never thought about rolling a Helf Pally, so I'd also be interested in seeing what other people come up with.

Do Helves get bonuses using falchions like Elves do?

[riskmal]

Do Helves get bonuses using falchions like Elves do?

No they don't, although if you're HElf FvS you can use scimitar without taking a feat, just like elves.

About HElf paladins, my choice would be 18/2 paladin/monk with TWF Khopeshes and rogue dilettante feat for Sneak Attack

[Calebro]

About HElf paladins, my choice would be 18/2 paladin/monk with TWF Khopeshes and rogue dilettante feat for Sneak Attack

If the plan is to just TR again immediately, then this is what I was going to suggest as well. If the plan is to stay as a Pally for a while, the capstone is awesome.
What gear he already has could play a part in making any decisions as well.
I should mention though, that Pallys are already AP starved, and adding things like Bardic Dillies doesn't help at all. Fortunately the Dillies don't cost too much in the grand scheme of things.

[Blank_Zero]

If the plan is to just TR again immediately, then this is what I was going to suggest as well. If the plan is to stay as a Pally for a while, the capstone is awesome.
What gear he already has could play a part in making any decisions as well.

Thinking about staying pally for maybe a month after cap, just to run a few raids, epics, etc as a pally. Life after this will be a helves angel, so will be at cap, double checking for gear and such.

Thinking about 18/2, especially since I love multiclassing. My other idea is solar phoenix variant, but I lack a lot of gear for it and don't wanna redo a bunch of greensteel for one life.

[riskmal]

If the plan is to just TR again immediately, then this is what I was going to suggest as well. If the plan is to stay as a Pally for a while, the capstone is awesome.
What gear he already has could play a part in making any decisions as well.
I should mention though, that Pallys are already AP starved, and adding things like Bardic Dillies doesn't help at all. Fortunately the Dillies don't cost too much in the grand scheme of things.

IMO pali's capstone isn't worth much for a TR. Of course extra dmg is always extra dmg but monk lvls are much more useful here. Evasion, extra saves, AC bonus and 2 really handy combat feats make this build more solo capable and fun after all That's just my opinion of course.

My other idea is solar phoenix variant, but I lack a lot of gear for it and don't wanna redo a bunch of greensteel for one life.

Solar phoenix variants are the most fun builds for me. Lvling toons like these is a cake, you can solo almost every quest in the game. Check my ranger phoenix variant if you consider something else after this pali life
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...ampire+phoenix

[Calebro]

Take a look at something like this for an idea:

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.8.1
DDO Character Planner Home Page

Level 20 Lawful Good Half-Elf Male
(18 Paladin \ 2 Monk) 
Hit Points: 368
Spell Points: 245 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 26
Reflex: 20
Will: 17

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    24
Dexterity            15                    17
Constitution         15                    18
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma             16                    20

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               2                     3
Bluff                 3                     5
Concentration         2                     4
Diplomacy             3                     5
Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
Haggle                3                     5
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                  2                     3
Intimidate            3                     5
Jump                  3                     7
Listen               -1                     0
Move Silently         2                     3
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                     0
Search               -1                     0
Spot                 -1                     0
Swim                  3                     7
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Monk)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Rogue
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Paladin)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh


Level 4 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 7 (Paladin)


Level 8 (Paladin)


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Paladin)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Paladin)


Level 17 (Paladin)


Level 18 (Paladin)
*****************Feat to taste

Level 19 (Paladin)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante I
Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite II
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice I
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice II
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might III

Things to remember for a Pally build:
You are a crit driven class. So you always want to make sure you have Exalted Smite at as high a tier as you can afford, AP wise.
Your blue bar is practically non-existent. I hang on to lowbie mana pots that I've collected from the Harbor/Market on all my toons and pass them to my Pally, and use these to power DivSac, which you should be spamming every three seconds like clockwork.
Your teeny tiny mana bar is also the reason that Extend is very important on a Pally, if you can fit it in, which you can on a monk splash. Most of your buffs are short term - the good ones anyway - and saving sp on keeping them extended means you have more SP for DivSac.

8eidt:
I should note that while I could go on and on for days about DivSac and how you should spam it.... you'll notice I only took tier 1 on this. The extra crit power it provides is much more important than another 2d6 light every 3 seconds. Sure, it adds a few more d6's every few seconds if you go higher, but it doesn't add any more crit power for going higher. Tier 1 is enough.

Going from boring Fighter x2 -> to Barbarian -> to Paladin.... is going to be an eye opener on clicky usage. Paladins are MUCH more involved to play.
No auto-attack and walk away for you anymore. Now you'll start to have FUN playing him!

As I'm sure you have Madstone Boots - If you decide not to take Extand and go with something else:
Buff yourself, put them on, wait for it to proc, and take them back off.
When Madstone Rage wears off, rebuff, and then repeat.

You have to micromanage a Pally to bring out the best in him. But once you get the hang of that micromanagement you'll start to LOVE him.

[Blank_Zero]

Take a look at something like this for an idea:

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.8.1
DDO Character Planner Home Page

Level 20 Lawful Good Half-Elf Male
(18 Paladin \ 2 Monk) 
Hit Points: 368
Spell Points: 245 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 26
Reflex: 20
Will: 17

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    24
Dexterity            15                    17
Constitution         15                    18
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma             16                    20

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               2                     3
Bluff                 3                     5
Concentration         2                     4
Diplomacy             3                     5
Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
Haggle                3                     5
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                  2                     3
Intimidate            3                     5
Jump                  3                     7
Listen               -1                     0
Move Silently         2                     3
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                     0
Search               -1                     0
Spot                 -1                     0
Swim                  3                     7
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Monk)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Rogue
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Paladin)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh


Level 4 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 7 (Paladin)


Level 8 (Paladin)


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Paladin)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Paladin)


Level 17 (Paladin)


Level 18 (Paladin)
*****************Feat to taste

Level 19 (Paladin)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante I
Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite II
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice I
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice II
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might III

Things to remember for a Pally build:
You are a crit driven class. So you always want to make sure you have Exalted Smite at as high a tier as you can afford, AP wise.
Your blue bar is practically non-existent. I hang on to lowbie mana pots that I've collected from the Harbor/Market on all my toons and pass them to my Pally, and use these to power DivSac, which you should be spamming every three seconds like clockwork.
Your teeny tiny mana bar is also the reason that Extend is very important on a Pally, if you can fit it in, which you can on a monk splash. Most of your buffs are short term - the good ones anyway - and saving sp on keeping them extended means you have more SP for DivSac.

8eidt:
I should note that while I could go on and on for days about DivSac and how you should spam it.... you'll notice I only took tier 1 on this. The extra crit power it provides is much more important than another 2d6 light every 3 seconds. Sure, it adds a few more d6's every few seconds if you go higher, but it doesn't add any more crit power for going higher. Tier 1 is enough.

Going from boring Fighter x2 -> to Barbarian -> to Paladin.... is going to be an eye opener on clicky usage. Paladins are MUCH more involved to play.
No auto-attack and walk away for you anymore. Now you'll start to have FUN playing him!

As I'm sure you have Madstone Boots - If you decide not to take Extand and go with something else:
Buff yourself, put them on, wait for it to proc, and take them back off.
When Madstone Rage wears off, rebuff, and then repeat.

You have to micromanage a Pally to bring out the best in him. But once you get the hang of that micromanagement you'll start to LOVE him.

Looks like fun to me.

I've been playing self-sufficient melees actually. First life was a Monster Build that I focused on AC a bit, then ran a Blitz build next. Lots of Micromanaging during fights (Haste boosts, Kensei boosts, Titan's Grip, Rage, Frenzy) and while soloing (which I do a LOT) with my vast collection of clickies.

This Barb Life is an 18/2 with Rogue for UMD/Evasion and will sit at 20 for a bit (til I get some others capped and get a couple epic pieces done) then I'll look harder into this one. TY for the time though. See you on Friday