Shroud - Bring Your Own DPS

[Bargol]

Very funny LFM. I like the humor in this, but it does bring up and interesting thought. Healing class toons who don't or won't heal. I have a WF barb with 102% healing amp and 867 HP buffed. Lately in some groups I am chugging silver flame pots mostly because of healers not healing. Its not a problem because I am built for it and can Still melee with the 30 second penalty to stats (helps my barb can hit 70 strength). However, no healer has ever given me plat or potions or anything when all they had to do was walk behind me enjoying the view of dead devil/orthon bodies. Maybe next time I pug I should refuse to DPS things since I don’t want to just carry others through the quest….joking.

Can a well built devine solo quests themselves? Some can yes, but that’s more the players ability and not the class because a great player can solo with almost any class. The fact is a good devine, with a good player behind the keyboard can do it all. In fact a guildy of mine has a WF favored soul that has good DPS and he can fight heal, etc. all at the same time.

[Thaxlsillyia]

nice LFM. More of a joke than anything else. And a poke at the 'me-so-high' fav souls.

a healing class saying BYOH is like the only rogue in party saying get your own traps in elite/epic VON raid and he will UMD all self heal/buffs.

[PopeJual]

Can a well built devine solo quests themselves? Some can yes, but that’s more the players ability and not the class because a great player can solo with almost any class. The fact is a good devine, with a good player behind the keyboard can do it all. In fact a guildy of mine has a WF favored soul that has good DPS and he can fight heal, etc. all at the same time.

I agree that soloing content is usually more about play skill than class, but when I can go afk to make a sandwich on my FvS in Sins of Attrition (after putting something heavy on the shift key) and come back to a full blue bar and a room full of dead Orthons, I'd say that the class has something to do with it too.

[Deaeth]

nice LFM. More of a joke than anything else. And a poke at the 'me-so-high' fav souls.

a healing class saying BYOH is like the only rogue in party saying get your own traps in elite/epic VON raid and he will UMD all self heal/buffs.

LOL love it!

[Mangloid]

a healing class saying BYOH is like the only rogue in party saying get your own traps in elite VON raid and he will UMD all self heal/buffs.

While i see that you are attempting to be slightly humorous, you are missing the point.

As it's been pointed out by numerous other people: A cleric, bard, or fvs (or another class for that matter) that puts up a BYOH LFM does so because they do not want to babysit. Does this mean that they won't heal you? No, but it does mean that they expect you to be at least somewhat self sufficient. Most likely they'll heal your during fights and help keep your hp up as you go along if you keep up.

All these argument over how expensive healing pots are or how long it takes. Pftt. get some UMD so you can toss a scroll heal on yourself. Will it require some work on your part? Yep, it will.

If you don't want to help keep yourself healed up or just plain can't. then don't join the LFM. Don't come to the forums and cry about it. Or wait, go ahead and do come cry. At least I'll have a better idea on who to take or not when i have to choose between people when they hit an LFM.

[k1ngp1n]

a healing class saying BYOH is like the only rogue in party saying get your own traps in elite VON raid and he will UMD all self heal/buffs.

Or it could be saying 'I'm already going and will be either BBing everything or Symboling them, so have some self healing ready because there are things you'll have to deal with to get to me and I'm not coming back.'

Or it could be saying 'I don't want anyone who is going to whine because they dumped CON and can't take a bit of a beating.'

Or it could be saying 'I'm going to solo this, you can come along if you want but don't cost me 10%.'

Or it could be saying 'I'm really drunk and can't really watch red bars. Just gonna run around and smack things. Take care of yourself. I might heal you between shots. If I ever figure out how to stop running in circles.... so many pretty lights! OOOHHH!'

Or it could be saying 'I will be healing if necessary, but I expect everyone to be self sufficient so I can expend my assets in damage instead of on you.'

Or it could be saying 'I built a battlecleric, and I do not enjoy healing. If you don't want to run with me, don't.'


Those are just a few things I came up with quickly. BYOH means many things, and people who can't handle it or who are otherwise 'morally' opposed to the idea of a cleric just zerging and not caring about you should just ignore the group.

[mudfud]

nice LFM. More of a joke than anything else. And a poke at the 'me-so-high' fav souls.

a healing class saying BYOH is like the only rogue in party saying get your own traps in elite/epic VON raid and he will UMD all self heal/buffs.

98% of the time I only use my aura to heal in ANY quest/raid. It's far cheaper to raise you then heal you if you can't follow that simple instruction when I let the group know, if they don't know already. I'll gladly give you the name of the frenzied barb who was beating on portals part 1 Shroud who died multiple times because he didn't want to come to my aura.

[Terebinthia]

I'd quite happily put up a BYOH LFM on a divine caster if:

a) I was doing slayers and wanted people to spread out over the map to get speedy slayers.

b) I was doing something that can be divided and conquered. WizKing is a classic example of that.

I'm sure there are more good reasons but those will do for now.

[Loromir]

I totally understand noone wants to babysit. I however think if you don't want to babysit and you are a healing capable class and even SEMI specced ( I don't want this to turn into rogs with UMD and non healing spec'd bards discussion), that you shouldn't complain/refuse to heal people. I normally (when i have them) give out pots to healers IF they are needed in quests raids. However, do healers, or anyone else for that matter, give me cure pots? Never, not once. You know how many pots it takes to heal up 675 unbuffed hps? No ty. If there's a healer in grp, I would expect at least a little courtesy, as my dps is helping complete the quest much faster.

Maybe all melee's should start expecting healers who won't heal to supply them with cure pots. I bet a lot more melee spec'd FvS and Battle Clerics will start healing a lil more and not whine!, lol!

Disclaimer: This post/thread/lfm in NO way is a rant, complaint. I originally meant it as a pun (that means joke, funny ha ha, not funny hee hee!). So please discuss away but PLEASE don't get angry or I will have to report you to the forum police! LOL!


EDIT: Oh and Please don't even tell me to go out and buy Silver Flame pots, yes I do have them and use occosionaly but to rely on them, and they are very expensive, is totally insane as I don't feel like waiting 30 seconds in between every healing session. ESPECIALLY in coal chamber. Ugh!

I don't expect the "healers" to give me cure pots, but if that same "Healer" is not interested in healing, then I better see some DPS from that "Healer" else he's just piking.

[grodon9999]

I'm sure there are more good reasons but those will do for now.

It weeds out the weak. Putting BYOH in an LFM always goes for a smoother pug.

But you need to be realistic, not going to try this for Epic Devil assault but at-level Madstone Crater?

[Tobril]

I'm really drunk and can't really watch red bars.

This.

[Phidius]

I shouldn't be surprised that this turned into a discussion of divines who don't heal, but really that wasn't the point - I just knew there was a Paul Harvey-style "Rest of the Story" here, and was curious as to what it was.

Clerics that put "BYOH" in the LFM are quite likely to also be bringing their own DPS - either via spells or melee. After all, a "healbot" isn't going to be posting a BYOH.

[bryanmeerkat]

I also put BYOH groups up when playing as a mage or sorc and if we dont get a healer it dont bother me as I am gonna zerg through drop a firewall and jump around the mobs till they are dead . If you wanna come in and keep me company thats fine but BYOH as I aint coming back to scrape you of the floor .

I oly put up BYOH if I know i have the quest covered

[Deaeth]

I shouldn't be surprised that this turned into a discussion of divines who don't heal, but really that wasn't the point - I just knew there was a Paul Harvey-style "Rest of the Story" here, and was curious as to what it was.

Clerics that put "BYOH" in the LFM are quite likely to also be bringing their own DPS - either via spells or melee. After all, a "healbot" isn't going to be posting a BYOH.

LOL, I've tried to say the same thing as it was my lfm that started all of this. Eh, people wanna come to the forums to argue let them, lol. I stated my opinions and no need to restate for ppl who can't remember what they just read.

[Phidius]

LOL, I've tried to say the same thing as it was my lfm that started all of this. Eh, people wanna come to the forums to argue let them, lol. I stated my opinions and no need to restate for ppl who can't remember what they just read.

/points at Phidius and Nelson-laughs.

I totally missed your signature!!

So, the story behind the LFM was that it was posted as a mockery of divines that put "BYOH" in their LFM? It wasn't meant to be attract DPS healers at all, but rather to get them to reconsider their choice of a class?

Dang, I was hoping for the opposite. I'm thinking about another BYOH Shroud, only this time I won't allow unknown "healers" in at the last minute

[Ilindith]

I want a paid service that will let me roll back to my FVS life now
I liked my BYOH runs, would kill most of the stuff, people still died.
Some would release and rage quit party "why the **** didn't you heal me" "I dunno, why didn't you read what the LFM said?".
/sigh, why did I TR into a gimp intimitank Q_Q

[k1ngp1n]

Dang, I was hoping for the opposite. I'm thinking about another BYOH Shroud, only this time I won't allow unknown "healers" in at the last minute

Excitedly awaiting this event. I've been busy these last two months building self healing into Ilyrae, and Arlayh is always ready to go BYOH.

[Deaeth]

/points at Phidius and Nelson-laughs.

I totally missed your signature!!

So, the story behind the LFM was that it was posted as a mockery of divines that put "BYOH" in their LFM? It wasn't meant to be attract DPS healers at all, but rather to get them to reconsider their choice of a class?

Dang, I was hoping for the opposite. I'm thinking about another BYOH Shroud, only this time I won't allow unknown "healers" in at the last minute

Lol, yep, that's it. Kinda like an Arcane saying bring your own nukes, or as I put, DPS puttinb bring your own dps, lol!

[skepticalsoul]

Excitedly awaiting this event. I've been busy these last two months building self healing into Ilyrae, and Arlayh is always ready to go BYOH.

You'll never make it through part one.

[Bargol]

98% of the time I only use my aura to heal in ANY quest/raid. It's far cheaper to raise you then heal you if you can't follow that simple instruction when I let the group know, if they don't know already. I'll gladly give you the name of the frenzied barb who was beating on portals part 1 Shroud who died multiple times because he didn't want to come to my aura.

Seriously? How is this even possible? Let me guess a barb that dumped con at creation.