Barb: Need Dmg Guru

[Cam_Neely]

Ok set up
18/2 Barb/Fighter TR Halforc (from pure Barb), High Str ect THF.

For held mobs in Epic would a litII Greataxe (or other LitII, but the x3 seems to make greataxe the way to go?) or dual Maiming Rocksplitters?

*EDIT* Assume force ritual on the LitII and crit ritual on both of the rocksplitters.

[Cam_Neely]

Interesting, there is no barb that understands the DPS calc better then me?

I'm not look for exact numbers, just 'yes X would be better then Y imo'

Thanks

[Consumer]

Interesting, there is no barb that understands the DPS calc better then me?

I'm not look for exact numbers, just 'yes X would be better then Y imo'

Thanks

It would take less than 10 minutes to download and set up A-O's DPS calc. That would you wouldn't have to rely on people that understand things better than you.

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

[Cam_Neely]

It would take less than 10 minutes to download and set up A-O's DPS calc. That would you wouldn't have to rely on people that understand things better than you.

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

Like I said, I dont need the numbers, just what people think. Figure with all the Dmg counting Barbs out there, someone might have an opinion.

I know its a moot point, but i try not to download much that I find on forums, even if many others have used them. I could take the next few days off from work, recap my TR, grind the gear and test it out myself, but though someone might have the 2 min to let me know what they have seen from experience.

[kernal42]

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

Build a man a fire and he's warm for the night. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life....

[Wraith_Sarevok]

If you really want my opinion, don't use those calculators.

They don't tell me anything that I can't type on the Google calculator and figure out on my own with Prealgebra knowledge.

Play the game and experience how things REALLY work.

In your case, Rocksplitter has a x4 critical multiplier and Falchion has a x3. It's obvious that Rocksplitter does a LOT more damage to held mobs than any two-handed weapon will ever do. Until they re-implement a two-handed weapon with a x4 multiplier, dual wield will always deal more damage to held mobs.

[Consumer]

Like I said, I dont need the numbers, just what people think.

Lol. Just lol.

[Kinerd]

Your answer:

Lit II Greataxe
1-18: 3 * (1.5 * S + D)
19-20: 6 * (1.5 * S + D)
1-20: 3.5 + 7 + 11 + 11 + 9
20: 14
Glancing:
1-20: .75 * (1.5 * S + D)
1-20: .75 * .2 * (3.5 + 7 + 11 + 11 + 9)
20: .75 * .2 * 14

Total: (18 * 3 + 2 * 6 + 20 * .75) * (1.5 * S + D) + 20 * (1 + .75 * .2) * (3.5 + 7 + 11 + 11 + 9) + (1 + .75 * .2) * 14
= 81 * (1.5 * S + D) + 954.5 + 16.1
= 81 * (1.5 * S + D) + 970.6

Maiming Rocksies
1-18: 4 * (S + D')
19-20: 7 * (S + D')
1-20: 3.5 + 13.5 + 10.5
Offhand as above with 0.5 * S and all multiplied by 0.8.

Total: (18 * 4 + 2 * 7) * (1.4 * S + 1.8 * D') + 1.8 * 20 * (3.5 + 13.5 + 10.5)
= 86 * (1.4 * S + 1.8 * D') + 990

Where S is your Strength bonus, D is the sum of your other bonuses to damage, and D' = D - 8 - H, where H is whatever you get from Half-Orc THF Damage enhancements and the 8 accounts for a +4 pick versus a +5 GS greataxe. Additionally, you should factor in about a 2% speed increase with the Rocksplitters.

[Forzah]

Your calculation assumes that he has all TWF feats... if he doesn't have them, THF will be better in autocrit regardless of strength and damage bonus.

[blitzschlag]

Lol. Just lol.

nothing wrong here. followers and leaders. some ppl need to be told what to do and think in order to survive. so its not about facts. just a person/opinion to look upon.

[Khanyth]

Great axe...... not that you should take my word for it or anything "guru" like

[Cam_Neely]

nothing wrong here. followers and leaders. some ppl need to be told what to do and think in order to survive. so its not about facts. just a person/opinion to look upon.

lol, just lol.

Some of you take this game much to seriously. I cant believe that I was able to get up this morning and remember to do the three Ss without you being able to remind me.

Thanks to the rest of you that were helpful

[blitzschlag]

I cant believe that I was able to get up this morning and remember to do the three Ss without you being able to remind me.

well you know how it works but i bet you asked someone for his/her opinion about it anyway ^^

[Shade]

lots of bad advice from the usual suspects. Guys ill not name: maybe read the OP before responding?

Good advice and very simple to see with doing any math:
You have no TWF feats, you have THF feats.

Use a THF weapon.

It's really that simple.

Major problem the TWF fans get stuck in there heads:
They think TWF gets WAY WAY MORE attacks per seconds. Thats simply false. THF glancing blows pretty much always exceed TWF off hand dmg at the endgame, sure they can't crit, but they do excellent dmg, and the huge advantage on the main damage makes up for the special effects, crits and then some for Barbarians.

I mean it's pretty simple numbers:
THF = X attack rate at a much superior damage, 75% glances at higher base dmg vs offhands
TWF = X attack rate at a much lower dmg, 80% offhand at lower base dmg then glances, but with the ability to crit and deal special effects. (TWF with no feats = 20% proc, pretty worthless)

X being pretty close to equal for most situations.

Hell even a fully TWF spec barb would only do very slightly more autocrit DPS with a rockspillter then a lit2 Greataxe (with no feats) at the highest lvls of str. Barbs are just plain better at THF.

[stoopid_cowboy]

Shade has spoken!

You asked for the guru, you got him.

yuda

[stoolcannon]

lots of bad advice from the usual suspects. Guys ill not name: maybe read the OP before responding?

Good advice and very simple to see with doing any math:
You have no TWF feats, you have THF feats.

Use a THF weapon.

It's really that simple.

Major problem the TWF fans get stuck in there heads:
They think TWF gets WAY WAY MORE attacks per seconds. Thats simply false. THF glancing blows pretty much always exceed TWF off hand dmg at the endgame, sure they can't crit, but they do excellent dmg, and the huge advantage on the main damage makes up for the special effects, crits and then some for Barbarians.

I mean it's pretty simple numbers:
THF = X attack rate at a much superior damage, 75% glances at higher base dmg vs offhands
TWF = X attack rate at a much lower dmg, 80% offhand at lower base dmg then glances, but with the ability to crit and deal special effects. (TWF with no feats = 20% proc, pretty worthless)

X being pretty close to equal for most situations.

Hell even a fully TWF spec barb would only do very slightly more autocrit DPS with a rockspillter then a lit2 Greataxe (with no feats) at the highest lvls of str. Barbs are just plain better at THF.

I don't know or even care if any of this is true, I just want it to be true bad enough that I'm taking it as gospel anyway.

Barb THF FTMFW.

Big Axe = Win
Scrawny Khopesh = Fail

[protokon]

Like I said, I dont need the numbers, just what people think.

I think, therefore I am.

[Khanyth]

I think, therefore I am.

I hack stuff to death with a big ol' massive great axe, therefore I am

[Kinerd]

Your calculation assumes that he has all TWF feats... if he doesn't have them, THF will be better in autocrit regardless of strength and damage bonus.

Spot on, 100% right. I read more into "ect" than apparently was implied.

lots of bad advice from the usual suspects. Guys ill not name: maybe read the OP before responding?

Good advice and very simple to see with doing any math:
You have no TWF feats, you have THF feats.

Use a THF weapon.

It's really that simple.

Major problem the TWF fans get stuck in there heads:
They think TWF gets WAY WAY MORE attacks per seconds. Thats simply false. THF glancing blows pretty much always exceed TWF off hand dmg at the endgame, sure they can't crit, but they do excellent dmg, and the huge advantage on the main damage makes up for the special effects, crits and then some for Barbarians.

I mean it's pretty simple numbers:
THF = X attack rate at a much superior damage, 75% glances at higher base dmg vs offhands
TWF = X attack rate at a much lower dmg, 80% offhand at lower base dmg then glances, but with the ability to crit and deal special effects. (TWF with no feats = 20% proc, pretty worthless)

X being pretty close to equal for most situations.

Hell even a fully TWF spec barb would only do very slightly more autocrit DPS with a rockspillter then a lit2 Greataxe (with no feats) at the highest lvls of str. Barbs are just plain better at THF.

What puzzles me about this post is remembering the way you have described the speed difference between a falchion and a greataxe.