TR virtuoso build help

[elujin]

i am getting ready to tr my bard virtuoso he isn't optimal by anymeans sins he was one of my earlyer toons he is an elf thf with falchions 18/2 bard fighter i have loads of fun but i want to tr in an outher race and pure

option one :
Human true nutral 20 bard
starting stats :
str 18
dex 8
con 16
int 10
wis 8
cha 14

feats : thougness , thf, ithf,gthf,ic:slashing,power attack,exstend , and one more (thoughness , maximize, somthing els)

skills : consentration , balance , jump haggle , umd , perform ,spot

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Enhancement: Bard Extra Song I
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song II
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song III
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song IV
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song IV
Enhancement: Bard Virtuoso I
Enhancement: Bard Virtuoso II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Improved Perform I
Enhancement: Improved Perform II
Enhancement: Improved Perform III
Enhancement: Improved Perform IV
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma II
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery II
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery III
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery IV

option 2

Horc true nutral 20 bard
starting stats :
str 20
dex 8
con 16
int 8
wis 8
cha 12

feats : thougness , thf , ithf , gthf , ic:slashing ,power attack , exstend

skills : consentration , balance , jump haggle , umd , perform ,spot

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Enhancement: Bard Extra Song I
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song II
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song III
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song IV
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song IV
Enhancement: Bard Music of the Dead
Enhancement: Bard Virtuoso I
Enhancement: Bard Virtuoso II
Enhancement: Bard Musical Prodigy
Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Orcish Strength I
Enhancement: Orcish Strength II
Enhancement: Improved Perform I
Enhancement: Improved Perform II
Enhancement: Improved Perform III
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma II
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery II
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery III
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery IV

some questions :
-bard dilitand is useless for a bard ?
-would the human healing amp have a big inpact on the healing song and/or heal scroles.
-how mutch dps will the horc have over human

also i don't the enchantments rater quick so any advice is welcome.

[Aashrym]

Both builds look okay to me.


The human I would use the extra feat on empower healing spell or maximize. You might want to go with listen instead of spot but that seems to be more personal preference. I prefer listen as a class skill.

I would also try to fit MotD in the human build, maybe getting rid of greater human adaptability for musical prodigy and MotD. You could also drop improved perform IV and energy of the music I for MoTM for the full range of fascinate.

If you want to keep greater human adaptability CON drop improved perform IV and energy of the music I for musical prodigy. The CHA bonus for the capstone alone will give you that bonus to perform plus all CHA base skills and you will get more bonus SP from the CHA bonus as well than energy of the music I. Better deal for your AP spent even disregarding the other benefits.


I like the 1/2 Orc build too. The enhancements line up better with the information above and you do have some nice THF options. You are missing out on Orcish PA and Great Weapon Aptitude for more damage and a greater proc on glancing blows to go with your THF style. I would be more inclined to go with war chanter to free up some AP that virt's require to try and fit a bit more of those into the 1/2 Orc build.


The bard past life feat isn't bad while you are starting at lower levels having some more songs and you might use some CC spells with that CHA for a while. Later on the extra songs and extra DC on enchantments will be meaningless to you, and by later on not that much later on.

Human improved recovery will help with healing and keep you alive. It can also contribute to overhealing, so I tend to have mixed feeling on that one depending on who is doing the healing and how well that player is doing the healing.

With the enhancements you have listed above for 1/2 Orc you have +4 damage from enhancements and +3 STR over your human build. It adds up fast and contributes to glancing blows but you are missing out on some PA damage.

You could always look at 1/2 Elf, take rogue dilettante for some sneak attack bonus damage and TWF, and still take improved recovery. You could consider that one too if you want healing amp and more DPS. Depends on what you want out of your character. ;-)


another 2cp

[elujin]

thx for your advice sadly i have no access the helf and woudn't dilitand rog take a dex investment ?

mofd and mofm are nice i can try to fit them in but i haven't used them all that mutch for some reason

warchanter is out though i am liking virt to mutch ^^

i am still at lost on what build to take :/

[Aashrym]

Rogue dilettante would take dex yes, which is why TWF for that direction. I would go human myself for the feat, but if more personal DPS is what you are looking for the 1/2 Orc build is a better direction.

MotD and MotM are handy in some quests but those were some I eliminated on my spellsinger and would do the same on other characters as needed. Nice but not necessary when AP get tight. Turbine has made them too expensive compared to the need for them IMO when AP are tight on several bard builds.

[elujin]

I am leaning to the horc build but i think i am going to try and fit the Great Weapon Aptitude in the pa one i am bit unsure over i have some trouble hitting some enemys on my bard now and the pa enchantments wont help .
I would prob add them if i had the ap but Great Weapon Aptitude>PA for now
and i will give lissen a try .

i wounder though will i have trouble using Master's Touch is dispell common ?

il prob us motd and motm while leveling and mebey when needed in higher contend but i am generaly uninpressed i wish they would use enthral as base and not facinate that would even out virt a bit more vs wc and ss.

[Valindria]

Here is the general plan for my TR virtuoso:

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=293085

Currently the only thing that makes the healing song better is healing amp. So my plan is to go human with max healing amp + twf with chaos blades for life steal.

[Aashrym]

Master's Touch does not get dispelled.

The 1/2 Orc STR bonuses helps offset the increased penalty for power attack with that enhancement line. I'm not sure what equipment or tomes you have access to but it can still be useful, particularly when facing held or stunned targets.

[elujin]

Here is the general plan for my TR virtuoso:

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=293085

Currently the only thing that makes the healing song better is healing amp. So my plan is to go human with max healing amp + twf with chaos blades for life steal.

i seen your build before and it looks nice though enjoy thf mebey i can build some nice kopeshes next life

Master's Touch does not get dispelled.

The 1/2 Orc STR bonuses helps offset the increased penalty for power attack with that enhancement line. I'm not sure what equipment or tomes you have access to but it can still be useful, particularly when facing held or stunned targets.

the power attack is somthing il prob skip at the first mebey i can bring it in later when i feel confident in my to hit ^^

my gear is nothing special i am building a tripple earth greath axe going to build tripple pos prob googles and mebey a litII falcion . no epics and going to give epic a pass on this life just need 20 tokens though.
as for tomes +2 is still expensif for me but not beyond my reach.