Radiant Assassin Flavor Build?

[Ilklr]

DISCLAIMER: This build is meant as a flavor build. I know the build is gimp, and don't need feedback telling me so. My question is: Is this build TOO gimp to be any fun?

The basic idea of the build is to be a trap-breaking, finessing, TWF Assassin/Radiant Servant. Divine Might II and Drow Weapon Damage II, along with the SA help with the damage a bit. I know the build is incredibly light on sp, but the sp are purely for buffs and emergency heals. I can scroll Heal, Raise Dead, etc. It's a little low on hp as well. It was the best I could do with drow on this build.

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Raynisse Descorn
Level 20 Neutral Good Drow Female
(2 Fighter \ 6 Rogue \ 12 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 264
Spell Points: 667 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 16
Will: 12

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             12                    14
Dexterity            16                    25
Constitution         12                    14
Intelligence         12                    14
Wisdom               12                    14
Charisma             16                    20

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 8
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 8
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 8
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 8
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 8
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    15
Bluff                 3                     7
Concentration         3                     6
Diplomacy             3                     5
Disable Device        5                    25
Haggle                3                     5
Heal                  3                     6
Hide                  3                    11
Intimidate            3                     5
Jump                  5                    10
Listen                1                     4
Move Silently         3                    11
Open Lock             6                    18
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     2
Search                5                    27
Spot                  5                     8
Swim                  1                     2
Tumble                4                     8
Use Magic Device      7                    28

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Cleric)


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse


Level 4 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 5 (Cleric)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Rogue)


Level 11 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Selected) Extra Turning


Level 13 (Cleric)


Level 14 (Cleric)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 17 (Cleric)


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 19 (Rogue)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Attack I
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Damage I
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Damage II
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Vulkoor's Avatar
Enhancement: Follower of Vulkoor
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Improved Hide I
Enhancement: Improved Hide II
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma I
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might II
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning II
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning III
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning IV
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I

[LordArkan]

Well, it does look pretty gimpy.

First thing that jumps out at me is that you've already got a high charisma, and don't really need the Extra Turning feat (you've got 12 turns showing without it). Since you aren't taking Fighter Strength I, that means you can drop the second level of fighter for Rog7 or Clr13-- I believe either of which would be far more useful to you.

Also, you're dumping action points on Vulkoor's Avatar when you already have Cleric Charisma II for RSII. I'd drop those and look into Sneak Attack Training III and Rogue Haste Boost I & II if you go Rogue 7.

[Kinerd]

You can do very respectable DPS for a flavor build, and the HP isn't that bad. I've got you around 429 with GFL, 6 Con, Draco, Minos, Greensteel HP item. I concur with LordArkan's recommendations.

[Raoull]

DISCLAIMER: This build is meant as a flavor build. I know the build is gimp, and don't need feedback telling me so. My question is: Is this build TOO gimp to be any fun?

The basic idea of the build is to be a trap-breaking, finessing, TWF Assassin/Radiant Servant. Divine Might II and Drow Weapon Damage II, along with the SA help with the damage a bit.

How key is the assassin? If you were a C17/R2/F1 you'd still qualify as a "trap-breaking, finessing, TWF". You'd lose some sneak damage, but you could at least be a respectable end game cleric. Most of your play would be largely the same... your melee would suffer some, you might need to bump int to keep rogue skills up with less levels.... but you would be a real cleric at end game instead of being some emergency healer similar to someone who can UMD heal/raise dead scrolls.

You'd basically lose the official tag of Assassin, but other than that it seems like it might fit all of your goals... and the gimp factor would be enormously lower.

EDIT: C17/M2/R1 is a more traditional option for similar goals. You'd lose a touch of HPs from the fighter toughness enhancement, but have 1 more feat to help you both melee and cleric. (Getting either rogue or monk to 2 is key to gain evasion.) You could TWF rapiers/shortswords to keep the same feel, or maintains stance and use fists/kamas/staff depending on how monky you were willing to go. Monk is also not free though....

[Steveohio]

couple a things id look into doing differently are:
Changing race, drow is just one of the worst races currently, and maybe doing 7rogue/12cleric/1something monk or ftr imo, will get you more sneak attack, more rogue-ish skills, abit better defense with wisdom ac bonus...

Dunno, just throwing ideas out there for ya.

Personally the 12/cleric builds are alot of fun, very solo and group friendly, with rogue levels also, you are a group in yourself. add add a hireling a pug or 2 and stir.

[Raoull]

Changing race, drow is just one of the worst races currently,

I don't think this is true... with a huge caveat.

_IF_ you don't have 32 point builds, and _IF_ your building a TWF that really needs charisma... Drow can be a good choice. That pretty much limits you to paladins or a TWF battle cleric/clonk. (Especially if your relatively new and have no +2 Dex tome to munch. +1 tomes are cheap.)

They have some value as arcanes, since they can get the highest DCs (just barely....), but the -CON hurts them more with that d4 HP die. Those classes really only use 1-2 of the drow bonus stats though (skills are still good for sorcerers), as opposed to the TWF pal/cleric who can benefit from all 3 +stats.

All in all, his build looks like a reasonable thing to be drow.

[Ilklr]

How key is the assassin? If you were a C17/R2/F1 you'd still qualify as a "trap-breaking, finessing, TWF".

It's not. The main thing I was worried about was keeping up the trap skills, so more rogue levels made sense to me, and I figured I may as well grab a secondary bonus. I'll have to play with it and see what I can come up with with less rogue levels.

[Ilklr]

drow is just one of the worst races currently

9 out of 10 times, I don't even consider drow. The main reason I went with it was that I felt the build was very tight on ability scores. I really don't have a dump stat.

[Ilklr]

Thanks everyone for the input. I'll have to play around with this a bit, and work out different possibilities.