No more 'gather the whole party' mechanics pls.

[tgun]

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If you are in a pug:
-stop zerging and let them have some fun too
-stop pugging if this annoys you

if you are in a guild group:
-whip your guildies into shape... they can do better
-slow down... this is not "need for speed"

What was that? Sorry, I can't hear you because i'm halfway thru the quest and you are still buffing at the entrance.

[Cetus]

/signed


those of you who use the argument "you don't like it, don't group with people then* fail to understand the fact that situations exist when a buddy of yours needs an afk, you have a latecomer, or are twoboxing. This shouldn't hinder your progress in the quest.

anyway i like the mechanic, stops zerging which by all means is a good thing.

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No, with the amount of XP we need to cap our TR's, you can go ahead and count every grain of sand between the beginning and end of every quest. However, those of us who are trying to cap, who have ran each quest hundreds of times, are going to zerg to the best of our ability.

[Postumus]

I've run Diplomatic Immunity about forty times this week with different PUG members each time. The longest I've ever had to wait b/c of this gather mechanic is a minute - maybe two.


The time I had to wait a whole two minutes was so horrible that I actually had to refill my drink. Oh noes!


/not signed.


If 60 seconds of your life is so precious, then run a different quest or just don't pug.

[Postumus]

/signed

No, with the amount of XP we need to cap our TR's, you can go ahead and count every grain of sand between the beginning and end of every quest. However, those of us who are trying to cap, who have ran each quest hundreds of times, are going to zerg to the best of our ability.

But my TR!! MY TR!!!


I could give a flying monkey bark about your TR.


You chose to climb that xp mountain when you TR'd, so please quit using it as an excuse for why the quests should be changed for everyone else.


XPs/min should never drive this game.

[Cetus]

But my TR!! MY TR!!!


I could give a flying monkey bark about your TR.


You chose to climb that xp mountain when you TR'd, so please quit using it as an excuse for why the quests should be changed for everyone else.


XPs/min should never drive this game.

Your definition of changing quests includes making it so that people can complete em without being glued to each others behinds?

I'm not going to hold your hand to get through a quest- and forcing your party to come together in order for the quest to proceed is exactly what that is saying.

My decision to TR is the same decision people make whether to zerg, whether to smell the roses, or whether to play the game at all.

[bobbryan2]

But my TR!! MY TR!!!


I could give a flying monkey bark about your TR.


You chose to climb that xp mountain when you TR'd, so please quit using it as an excuse for why the quests should be changed for everyone else.


XPs/min should never drive this game.

Spoken like someone who hasn't TRed. Be sure to post when you catch up. Cuz none of us can move on with this thread until everyone's gathered.

[bobbryan2]

anyway i like the mechanic, stops zerging which by all means is a good thing.

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I don't see how it stops zerging... It makes you wait till everyone catches up to continue on the quest... that's not really the same thing.

[sirgog]

I would be okay with Turbine keeping this if when it happened you only had to wait 30 seconds for the quest to advance regardless of if people were there or not.

That would be a perfect solution (timer can vary from quest to quest).

Diplomatic Immunity - 2 minutes would be fine. 'Gather your party here. I'll wait up to two minutes for stragglers, I think there could be trouble'. Just like VON4 (although VON4 is not without its problems in this regard).

[sirgog]

I've run Diplomatic Immunity about forty times this week with different PUG members each time. The longest I've ever had to wait b/c of this gather mechanic is a minute - maybe two.


The time I had to wait a whole two minutes was so horrible that I actually had to refill my drink. Oh noes!


/not signed.


If 60 seconds of your life is so precious, then run a different quest or just don't pug.

Just because you've never had someone go AFK for 15 minutes in Misery's Peak, then come back and turn their character, then go AFK again, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

GMs should give people a 1 week ban (minimum) for doing that, but they do not.

[doubledge]

/signed

[bobbryan2]

That would be a perfect solution (timer can vary from quest to quest).

Diplomatic Immunity - 2 minutes would be fine. 'Gather your party here. I'll wait up to two minutes for stragglers, I think there could be trouble'. Just like VON4 (although VON4 is not without its problems in this regard).

2 minutes is a pretty long time... Takes care of the griefing aspect... but not the annoyance of being slowed down for no reason.

[karnokvolrath]

Totally agree, this is a horrid mechanic.

Please remove all instances of it.

As far as zerging goes, at this point does zerging really even exsist? I mean, im by no means a zerg demon but doing things fast and efficient is ....like the whole basis of mmo's right? Maybe i just run with differnt folks or something, but our runs are - (goof off, make fun of so and so's mom, enter quest, blast though as quick as possible hitting all exp relevent optionals and chests, complete, grumble about how long this tr is taking) --- repeat

[sirgog]

2 minutes is a pretty long time... Takes care of the griefing aspect... but not the annoyance of being slowed down for no reason.

2 minutes is IMO suitable for quests where all hell breaks loose after you gather up. 30 seconds would be more appropriate in most cases.

[sweez]

The longest I've ever had to wait b/c of this gather mechanic is a minute - maybe two.

That's half of a Framework run right there.