Minor change to Arcane Archer or an equal ability for..

[Lerincho]

I would like to see either a minor change to Arcane Archer to include crossbow bolts or to see an equal enhancement in order to make returning bolts. For repeater builds the sturdy house D bolts (75%) just does not seem to help.


Or add the ability to take a stack of existing bolts/arrows and be able to make them returning (100%). Example, taking a stack of silver arrows/bolts and being able to use an enhancement to modify the arrow/bolts into returning silver arrow/bolts.

[hityawithastick]

Example, taking a stack of silver arrows/bolts and being able to use an enhancement to modify the arrow/bolts into returning silver arrow/bolts.

This would be awesome, but there would probably have to be a limit on the + of an item to be changed, otherwise you'd rapidly have AA's running around with stacks of returning vorpal arrows.

[Lerincho]

This would be awesome, but there would probably have to be a limit on the + of an item to be changed, otherwise you'd rapidly have AA's running around with stacks of returning vorpal arrows.

considering no such thing as a vorpal arrow or bolt (mainly because arrows/bolts are piercing and vorpal is only slashing) do not think you would have to worry about it. You could limit to material type though (silver, cold iron, etc.) and ignore elemental.

[hityawithastick]

considering no such thing as a vorpal arrow or bolt (mainly because arrows/bolts are piercing and vorpal is only slashing) do not think you would have to worry about it. You could limit to material type though (silver, cold iron, etc.) and ignore elemental.

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considering no such thing as a vorpal arrow or bolt (mainly because arrows/bolts are piercing and vorpal is only slashing)

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vorpal is only slashing

Derp.

Maybe if you did it so that it locked out and acted as one of the +arrows enhancements. Like...
You could either pick Conjure +1 Arrows or Conjure Adamantine Arrows. This unlocks either Conjure +2 Arrows or Conjure Silver Arrows, after which you could either pick Conjure +3 Arrows or Conjure Cold Iron arrows, and then you could pick Conjure +4 Arrows or Conjure Flametouched Iron Arrows.

This would be cool.

[Sillk]

I think Archers would be snobby to Crossbowmen and not teach them.

If I remember this correctly, historically you were skilled to use a Longbow, but anyone could use a crossbow. Then the Pope outlawed the crossbow.... but I think people continued using it.

[hityawithastick]

I think Archers would be snobby to Crossbowmen and not teach them.

If I remember this correctly, historically you were skilled to use a Longbow, but anyone could use a crossbow.

This is correct. A bow you had to be able to hold sometimes more than 300 pounds with two fingers, keep the arrow from sliding around, and practice for long periods of time. A crossbow you had to line up the pointy end with the bad guy and pull a lever.

[Lerincho]

I think Archers would be snobby to Crossbowmen and not teach them.

If I remember this correctly, historically you were skilled to use a Longbow, but anyone could use a crossbow. Then the Pope outlawed the crossbow.... but I think people continued using it.

As much as I like the ability to blame the Pope for something, not sure why in a world of magic this could not be a possibility. After all, arcane archer can conjure up arrows on a whim. We could even play tribute to the Pope and call it a divine cross ability.

[hityawithastick]

As much as I like the ability to blame the Pope for something, not sure why in a world of magic this could not be a possibility. After all, arcane archer can conjure up arrows on a whim. We could even play tribute to the Pope and call it a divine cross ability.

True, true. If I can make giant pit bulls appear out of thin air, surely someone can create a little ol' crossbow bolt.

[Rakian_Knight]

You kind of can already with a small spell that you can buy in wands called Flame Arrow. Buy the wand and hey you don't even need to care if you have a bolt or arrow as a base material anymore.

Anyway, please don't do this to Arcane Archer.

First of all, they are ARCHERS not CROSSBOWMEN. They already changed it from its original form so much that you can hardly recognize it from its pnp origins. Rangers should never have been able to become "Arcane" Archers since their magic comes from a divine source like a clerics in the first place. After that it should of only been a Racial PrE for the Elves and Half-Elves, but this is me ranting about it again.

Don't get me wrong, I like playing my repeater rogue, but this isn't the answer. If you want something that deals with crossbows, ask for something original, not to be tacked on to something else as a side note.

[Lerincho]

Rakian, kind of missed the part were I stated a minor change to the existing, or an equal ability just for crossbow bolts, huh?

[Rakian_Knight]

Rakian, kind of missed the part were I stated a minor change to the existing, or an equal ability just for crossbow bolts, huh?

Yeah, after rereading it I guess I kind of jumped at it. Lol, sorry Arcane Archer is a sour subject in my opinion for the reasons I said above and I guess all I saw was: "change to Arcane Archer to include crossbow bolts."

It would be nice to have something like that for crossbows with the mechanic line or even a simple enhancment line for all classes that gives you a stacking bonus to returning arrows like:

Arrow Retrieval I
Cost: 1 ap
Effect: This ability gives you a 25% returning rate on normal ammo that is thrown or used, and a +10% stacking for ammo that already has a returning rate.

Arrow Retrieval II
Cost: 1 ap
Effect: This ability gives you an additional 25% (50% total) on normal ammo that is thrown or fired, and another +5% (+15% total) stacking for ammo that already has a returning rate.

Arrow Retrieval III: +25% (75% normal) / +5% (+20% total)

Basically this gives you 95% return rate on sturdy arrows/bolts and 75% return on normal arrows for the cost of 3 ap that most people could deal with without breaking any build that uses arrow/bolts/thrown items.

[Doxmaster]

Yeah, after rereading it I guess I kind of jumped at it. Lol, sorry Arcane Archer is a sour subject in my opinion for the reasons I said above and I guess all I saw was: "change to Arcane Archer to include crossbow bolts."

It would be nice to have something like that for crossbows with the mechanic line or even a simple enhancment line for all classes that gives you a stacking bonus to returning arrows like:

Arrow Retrieval I
Cost: 1 ap
Effect: This ability gives you a 25% returning rate on normal ammo that is thrown or used, and a +10% stacking for ammo that already has a returning rate.

Arrow Retrieval II
Cost: 1 ap
Effect: This ability gives you an additional 25% (50% total) on normal ammo that is thrown or fired, and another +5% (+15% total) stacking for ammo that already has a returning rate.

Arrow Retrieval III: +25% (75% normal) / +5% (+20% total)

Basically this gives you 95% return rate on sturdy arrows/bolts and 75% return on normal arrows for the cost of 3 ap that most people could deal with without breaking any build that uses arrow/bolts/thrown items.

Arrow retrieval...that looks familiar.

[Sillk]

Can I add that there should also be Arrow Quivers and Crossbow Quivers?

My Skilled Archer likes to "Loot All", but hates it when these little pixi stix in stacks of 20 clog up his Arrow Storage.

[Chai]

Can I add that there should also be Arrow Quivers and Crossbow Quivers?

My Skilled Archer likes to "Loot All", but hates it when these little pixi stix in stacks of 20 clog up his Arrow Storage.

A little check box for arrows and bolts in the quiver would be awesome.