Bold Trinket - finally a DPS alternative to Litany of the Dead

[Carpone]

If you're like me and have multiple 20th Abbot completions without a Litany of the Dead to show for it, you will be thrilled to know there's finally a competitive alternative coming in U8P1. Assuming the math is correct...

Bold Trinket (Tier 2): Exceptional Seeker +2 (Stacks), Damage bonus +1

Frenzied Barbarian III with Litany of the Dead:

Great Axe dice roll: 2-18 = +1 damage, 19-20 (6x crit) = +6 damage == +1.52 avg damage per hit
Epic Sword of Shadows dice roll: 2-14 = +1 damage, 15-18 (4x crit) = +4 damage, 19-20 (6x crit) = +6 damage == +2.157 avg damage per hit

If +1 STR (profane) would put you at an even STR, then double the above damage per hit.

Frenzied Barbarian III with Bold Trinket:

Great Axe dice roll: 2-18 = +1 damage, 19-20 (6x crit) = +18 damage == +1.842 avg damage per hit
Epic Sword of Shadows dice roll: 2-14 = +1 damage, 15-18 (4x crit) = +12 damage, 19-20 (6x crit) = +18 damage == +5.105 avg damage per hit.

So the Bold Trinket outpaces Litany for the eSoS, even if the Litany provided an even STR score.

Bold Trinket (Tier 3): Exceptional Seeker +2 (Stacks), Damage bonus +1, Shocking Blow

Shocking Blow is an average of 0.967 damage per hit (not modified by crit multipliers). This assumes your target only fails the DC 22 Reflex on a roll of 1 (ie, a raid boss) and is not immune to electrical damage (ie, not Lailat or Abbot).

[Wraith_Sarevok]

I might get that item if the live version stays the same. Things change from beta, so I never seriously consider them until they come out.

I probably would take it over Litany. There's no real reason not to.

Shocking Blow (if it's the same as Charged Gauntlets) adds from 20-30 electric damage on a roll of 20. I've been experimenting with this item recently. Monsters are almost never going to fail the save in high level quests and epics. It's pretty worthless DPS, as in it adds virtually nothing.

With new and better items comming out all the time, it's getting continously harder to justify wearing Red Scale + Bloodstone on a non-WF. I'm thinking of dumping both of these altogether and sticking with Marilith + Litany/Trinket.

[Kinerd]

eSoS is a base 3 crit. Also, two handed weapons get 1.5 damage per Strength bonus, so if the odd score puts the character to a Strength score divisible by 4 they would get +2 damage.

In short form:

eSoS
Litany (odd) - 1.85
Litany (even) - 3.70
Bold tier 2 - 4.25
Bold tier 3 - 5.22
Litany (doubly even) - 5.55

[T-Town_Titan]

Hmmm..deathnip....crit rage II....hmmm

[Carpone]

eSoS is a base 3 crit. Also, two handed weapons get 1.5 damage per Strength bonus, so if the odd score puts the character to a Strength score divisible by 4 they would get +2 damage.

In short form:

eSoS
Litany (odd) - 1.85
Litany (even) - 3.70
Bold tier 2 - 4.25
Bold tier 3 - 5.22
Litany (doubly even) - 5.55

Correct. Thanks for pointing that out.

[Shuleagh]

Does anyone know if the shocking blow from the trinket stacks with epic shocking blow from the epic Chrono gauntlets?

[grodon9999]

This stuff is such wonderfully over-powered goodness that'll cut down a hell of a lot on my grinding time. Thinking this for my evasion-fighter . . .

Head Stupid hat with +6 Seeeker*
Neck Shintao*/Kensai
Belt Ravager
Armor Epic Vulkor Fighting Leathers (Toughness)
Ring 1 Shintao*/kensai (20% healing amp)
Ring 2 Ravager
Boots Madstone
Bracers Epic Claw *
Cloak Epic Mabar
Gloves Epic Claw *
Goggles Tharnes/Mineral II (+45 HP)
Trinket Bold Trinket *

* I don't have that yet.

This can get you full Seeker 8 (+1 more point of damage per swing), Vulkorum Fighting Leathers are a bit of a joke but no loss of toughness from not having Minos, and when I equip my HP item I only lose 2 points of sneak attack. The +4 to-hit mean no loss over wearing the Claw set over epic-spectrals.

If you listen closely . . . you can hear the prices of certain scrolls dropping as this event approaches

[Forzah]

I don't see how I can include that trinket on my barb... trade-offs are too big for me. I don't have an epic marilith chain. It boils down for me to giving up either +3 str from epic chrono set or give up the red dragonscale robe (and trade it in for non-epic marilith chain).

[Four20]

That is a good question. Are you saying this for only those with an epic chain(so they aren't using the bloodstone)?

[Shade]

While it is a good trinket, I don't believe it beats the litany of the dead for the best overall barbarian trinket for several reason:

1 - 100% fort situations, its inferior. Especially versus targets such as lichs - which are immune to lightning damage. 100% fort is where Barbarian shine as the top DPS by far.

If +1 STR (profane) would put you at an even STR, then double the above damage per hit.

Thats not a valid statement for the Barbarian forum. Might be true for some other classes, but barbs, no.

Corrected statement:

For barbarians, double the damage per hit. Because even if you end up at an odd strength number, you can do a respec and drop power rage IV and save 4 AP to spend towards something else useful.

So essentialy, damage wise, they are almots the same. But the litany has a +1 to hit advantage (does matter in some cases, especially certain epics)

Then theres the stats
+1 to all stats is nothing to sneeze at.

If you want to ultimately be a very powerful Barbarian, you will be using silver flame potions ,even in groups. You cannot always rely on your healer yo save your butt, sometimes your have to take care of yourself...

And they need 11+ stats in all, that litany for me is the key to this on my oldschool 28pnt beta barb-never TR'ing.. as his starting charisma, like most dwarf/wf was a 6.. So 6 +4 tome +1 lotd = 11.. Bare minimum. Now I could wear a +6 cha item, say slot an epic.. But thats a waste of a slot, and I might need the same for say int if I lacked the litany.

So litany is imo, still the ultimate barbarian trinket.

This new one certainly is an easier to acquire alternative tho. Tho the tier3 upgrade will be quite a grind from what I saw in the event. Tier2 isn't bad, and provides most of the benefits. Tier1 was possibly nerfed today, not sure, didnt look, most tier1s were tho.

[Carpone]

I don't see how I can include that trinket on my barb... trade-offs are too big for me. I don't have an epic marilith chain. It boils down for me to giving up either +3 str from epic chrono set or give up the red dragonscale robe (and trade it in for non-epic marilith chain).

Non-epic Marilith Chain is Seeker +6, same as Bloodstone. That frees up your trinket slot for Litany or Bold Trinket.

Against raid bosses, you'll want the non-epic Marilith Chain over the Red Dragonscale. Fire damage doesn't affect a single raid boss except Abbot (where it really doesn't matter), so all the dragonscale is providing you is a blue and colorless augment slot.

[Shade]

Against raid bosses, you'll want the non-epic Marilith Chain over the Red Dragonscale. Fire damage doesn't affect a single raid boss, so all the dragonscale is providing you is a blue and colorless augment slot.

Fire works fine on:
Sorjek Icanni (non-lich)
Stormreaver
Black Abbot

Other purple named not in raids:
Sorjek (Lich)
All 3 dragons in tor

Sorry for the mostly pointless correction.. But yea, redscale has it's place. Abbot may be a fairly low HP boss, but still a raidboss where its good to use on nonetheless.

[Carpone]

So litany is imo, still the ultimate barbarian trinket.

I'd prefer a Litany over the Bold Trinket. The Bold Trinket is a much easier to acquire item. I have four 20th Abbot completions and I've never seen a Litany in my rewards list.

But the litany has a +1 to hit advantage (does matter in some cases, especially certain epics)

With the Blessing of the Three Dragons buff providing +1 profane bonus to attacks, this is a moot point.

You cannot always rely on your healer yo save your butt, sometimes your have to take care of yourself...

I do not subscribe to this attitude. Find better people to play with. Raise the bar for players, don't lower it.

Then theres the stats
+1 to all stats is nothing to sneeze at.

+1 stats is awesome, as long as it does something for you. Obviously it all depends on your current gearing. If you're wearing the 3pc Abishai set (+3 profane STR), then the +1 profane STR from Litany isn't relevant.

[Carpone]

Fire works fine on:
Sorjek Icanni (non-lich)
Stormreaver
Black Abbot

Other purple named not in raids:
Sorjek (Lich)
All 3 dragons in tor

Sorry for the mostly pointless correction.. But yea, redscale has it's place. Abbot may be a fairly low HP boss, but still a raidboss where its good to use on nonetheless.

To consider Stormreaver a raid boss is laughable when he's soloable by arcanes, divines and barbarians. 6-man content (Sorjek, TOR) is not raid content.

Abbot is the only raid boss in that list that's relevant. Obviously +6 Seeker from the non-epic Marilith Chain doesn't matter there, but the fire proc from Epic Red Dragonscale isn't going to make or break the fight either. Abbot is about finding non-******** people who coordinate well to do the puzzles and who can jump to ice platforms without dying.

[Khanyth]

I farmed too **** much to get a bloodstone, not to use it forever and a day

[Khellendros13]

The even hat can have +6 seeker slotted.

I plan to slot +15 balance and +6 seeker on it, and use the bold trinket.

With that setup and Epic Claw set, I cannot fit in Epic Abishai set. Doesn't bother me though.

[stoolcannon]

This stuff is such wonderfully over-powered goodness that'll cut down a hell of a lot on my grinding time. Thinking this for my evasion-fighter . . .

Head Stupid hat with +6 Seeeker*
Neck Shintao*/Kensai
Belt Ravager
Armor Epic Vulkor Fighting Leathers (Toughness)
Ring 1 Shintao*/kensai (20% healing amp)
Ring 2 Ravager
Boots Madstone
Bracers Epic Claw *
Cloak Epic Mabar
Gloves Epic Claw *
Goggles Tharnes/Mineral II (+45 HP)
Trinket Bold Trinket *

* I don't have that yet.

This can get you full Seeker 8 (+1 more point of damage per swing), Vulkorum Fighting Leathers are a bit of a joke but no loss of toughness from not having Minos, and when I equip my HP item I only lose 2 points of sneak attack. The +4 to-hit mean no loss over wearing the Claw set over epic-spectrals.

If you listen closely . . . you can hear the prices of certain scrolls dropping as this event approaches

Now that I've got my epic marilith chain I will be grinding the hell out of the event for that trinket. I am very very excited about this.

[stoolcannon]

While it is a good trinket, I don't believe it beats the litany of the dead for the best overall barbarian trinket for several reason:

1 - 100% fort situations, its inferior. Especially versus targets such as lichs - which are immune to lightning damage. 100% fort is where Barbarian shine as the top DPS by far.



Thats not a valid statement for the Barbarian forum. Might be true for some other classes, but barbs, no.

Corrected statement:


So essentialy, damage wise, they are almots the same. But the litany has a +1 to hit advantage (does matter in some cases, especially certain epics)

Then theres the stats
+1 to all stats is nothing to sneeze at.

If you want to ultimately be a very powerful Barbarian, you will be using silver flame potions ,even in groups. You cannot always rely on your healer yo save your butt, sometimes your have to take care of yourself...

And they need 11+ stats in all, that litany for me is the key to this on my oldschool 28pnt beta barb-never TR'ing.. as his starting charisma, like most dwarf/wf was a 6.. So 6 +4 tome +1 lotd = 11.. Bare minimum. Now I could wear a +6 cha item, say slot an epic.. But thats a waste of a slot, and I might need the same for say int if I lacked the litany.

So litany is imo, still the ultimate barbarian trinket.

This new one certainly is an easier to acquire alternative tho. Tho the tier3 upgrade will be quite a grind from what I saw in the event. Tier2 isn't bad, and provides most of the benefits. Tier1 was possibly nerfed today, not sure, didnt look, most tier1s were tho.

Silver flame pots are the only reason I'd still be interested in grinding for my litany. Self healing is restricting my build right now by making me wear a junk TOD ring on one hand.

[Shade]

With the Blessing of the Three Dragons buff providing +1 profane bonus to attacks, this is a moot point.

Eh not really. The main times you need that extra +1 to hit is when in those cases where **** goes bad and you've suffered a death, and thus complete loss of ship buffs.

I do not subscribe to this attitude. Find better people to play with. Raise the bar for players, don't lower it.

lol whatever, it's not an attitude, its a fact of the game when you get the pots and understand you can move beyond the leash of your healer. Even the very best healers in the game cannot heal thru walls or beyond the healing range, and when im zerging like a madman with sprint boost ,they have a real **** hard time keeping up - especially if there A) Back a the shrine getting sp , B) In a entirely different section of the quest/raid as its more effecient to split up in certain quests.

While i do prefer to play with better players, especially healers that love to keep me going, and avoid the dps loss from using the pots, it just can't always be a reality in this game.

[varzyl]

i have just crafted base Bold Trinket (competence bonus to damage +1), and it DOESN't stack with damage ship buff.
I don't know the tier 1 (exc seeker) part yet

I hope it is not WAI, but who knows ^^