Shroud Crafting Etiquette

[Westerner]

Returning player, running Shroud again after 3 year absence.

I notice that Shrouds run a lot faster now due to higher level toons and more DPS. Is it bad etiquette to craft at the Part 1/3 altars in and potentially hold up the group? Should the need to craft be stated up front when first joining the group?

If you complete, is there a way to go back to the Part 1/3 altars, and craft after the raid is over?

I realize there are non-Shroud alternatives for these altars (airships, Amrath) but I don't have access to them.

Thanks

[jwdaniels]

Generally, you wait until the end of the raid to craft. After completion, there are portals that go back to the earlier parts for exactly that purpose, and you can then move from part 1 to 2 to 3, etc. through the portals in each part as needed.

[NinjaNeed]

Craft AFTER the raid.

If you do not want to complete then you do not craft!!!

And there are 4 portals at the end of the raid,one to each sub-part. If you take the wrong one just follow the normal portals back to p5 and retry.

[JinxedWarrior]

important notice, do NOT take the Dimension Door when you complete, there is no way back to Part 1, or the altar if you do take the DD. Just use one of the 4 portals in Part 5, if you put your targeting crosshairs on the portals you can see the name of the Shroud stage, as well as an image of that part to figure out which part you would like to go to.

[Bunker]

You can craft after the raid is over. Portals appear allowing you to reach all areas of the quest.

Note: If you have good contacts within Stormreach, you might no someone that is part of a high lvl guild. Some guild ships will have one or all 3 alters allowing you to craft outside the quest.

[Impaqt]

Also. Shroud Crafting alters are now available on Guild Ships as well. and there is a Tier2 Alter in Shavarath.

[Westerner]

Thanks for all the replies, advice, and tips.

My apologies to the folks Thundorf ran with last night for holding things up by crafting. I was not aware the option to craft after the raid existed. That's when I'll do my in-Shroud crafting from now on!

[Quarterling]

Here is what I do for tiers one and two:

Before the raid, I make sure my backpack is as clean as possible, and then I take out the needed ingredients (smalls, mediums, and energy cells) and organize them in my backpack so that I don't need to reference to a guide. Since the backpack space is 5x4 for each slot, this works out really nicely.

Since I don't need to look at a crafting guide because I already looked at it and organized my ingredients before the raid started, I can just pop in the ingredients and by the time everybody is done shrining, I'm done crafting. This works best on a character that can get by without needing to use a shrine (e.g. melee/non-caster).

[Cam_Neely]

Here is what I do for tiers one and two:

Before the raid, I make sure my backpack is as clean as possible, and then I take out the needed ingredients (smalls, mediums, and energy cells) and organize them in my backpack so that I don't need to reference to a guide. Since the backpack space is 5x4 for each slot, this works out really nicely.

Since I don't need to look at a crafting guide because I already looked at it and organized my ingredients before the raid started, I can just pop in the ingredients and by the time everybody is done shrining, I'm done crafting. This works best on a character that can get by without needing to use a shrine (e.g. melee/non-caster).

Careful with this, my assumption is that these can be destroyed similar to any other nonbound item in your inventory.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Here is what I do for tiers one and two:

Before the raid, I make sure my backpack is as clean as possible, and then I take out the needed ingredients (smalls, mediums, and energy cells) and organize them in my backpack so that I don't need to reference to a guide. Since the backpack space is 5x4 for each slot, this works out really nicely.

Since I don't need to look at a crafting guide because I already looked at it and organized my ingredients before the raid started, I can just pop in the ingredients and by the time everybody is done shrining, I'm done crafting. This works best on a character that can get by without needing to use a shrine (e.g. melee/non-caster).

There is really no reason to do this.

Doing so increases the chance of mstake, and can get you added to ban lists for holding the group up. In good groups not everyone shrines and those not shrining are expected to already be in the next part clearing things out as soon as you've looted.

Just craft after completion. It's easy, low presure, take as much or as little time as you need, you hold no one up...it is the way to go until you get the guild alters.

[dkyle]

I notice that Shrouds run a lot faster now due to higher level toons and more DPS. Is it bad etiquette to craft at the Part 1/3 altars in and potentially hold up the group? Should the need to craft be stated up front when first joining the group?

Very bad etiquette, even in non-speed-run groups. Of course, that doesn't mean people don't do it. Even saw someone do it in a loot-at-end speedrun...

If you must, ask, and the leader might be OK with it, but don't just start crafting. Also, be understanding if they say no.

If you complete, is there a way to go back to the Part 1/3 altars, and craft after the raid is over?

Yes! Portals appear when Harry is killed. If you're standing by the chests and looking out at the room, the one closest to you on the left takes you back to part 1. You can then run the whole way through as needed.

Those portals were added after the Shroud first opened, so they may not have been there when you left.

[shadowsaun]

pretty much no one crafts during the raid. IF you are staying for completion, there ARE portals that will take you back to the alters. So just wait until the raid is finished, xp gained, and then go back and craft to your hearts content!

Also, we now have guild airships and some have crafting alters. For example, on my server, the Defenders guild welcomes all to craft at anytime. Even if you don't have a guild, you might find an invite to the crafting alter a nice choice!

Hope this helps, happy crafting!

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Ten people do not want to wait for two guys to craft. Especially if one of them is trying to figure out how to do it for the first time.....and thus taking forever.

Yes, Shrouds are zerge run now as a rule. No one wants to wait. So best to wait till it's over and go back. There are portals at the end to take you back so that you can craft.

It is rare to fail a Shroud run. So you should have little fear of not being able to craft.

There are even crafting alters that the largest guilds have on their ships. You could ask for an invite if you need to.

You could also put up an LFM for Shroud prt 1 farming. Many people still need regular Shards of Power and the LFM should fill quickly. You wouldn't need a perfect group for prt 1 either.

There is a tier 2 alter in the explorer area of Amrath. If you cannot fight your way to clear it, I have snuck to it on a low stealth toon before and used it without agoing the mobs near it. I did have Greater Silent Moves gear and knowledge of how to sneak and remain unseen though. (invis helps) Think I was able to use it even with one guy agroed on me. But that takes some experience. Most people can kill those guys though. Try pulling them one at time to beat up on if you need to.

Many options.

[KillEveryone]

I had done it before but only because the previous run I was in I had made my shards but forgot my item. It was really quick to combine the shards with my blank...had it all done before anyone started buffing for the next part...and I had that all set out in my backpack before I went into the raid.

Generally though, if you have to lay out all your ingredients, then make your essence, gem, focus, then combine them with your shards, then combine them with your blank, you shouldn't do it.