Cleric VS FvS

[krackythehoodedone]

I think FVS are more popular because they are a fairly new character class so many wanted to try one and they out performed the Cleric in many areas.

Only with the new Radiant Servant line has the cleric (imho) rightly regained the distinction of being the best healer in the game.

If you want to stay a cleric but diversify a bit i would go for a Clonk 18/2. It adds a nice little DPS line, awesome survivability in terms of high AC, brilliant saves and evasion. The synergy of the monk splash with Cleric is superior to FVS.

[transtemporal]

I only tried to explain the reasons why some might find it fun to play a melee FVS. The DPS is quite far from a top notch min maxed DPS build. It's the incredible survivability in conjunction with decent DPS that makes it work.

Fair enough, and I don't disagree. A good chunk of dps with self-healing is a nice addition to any group. I think the other reason I was a little disappointed with my wf fvs is the healing was a little gimped. With human fvs builds and plenty of healing amp, they can keep themselves up with just the free CLW

I'm seriously considering TRing one of my guys for the rogue past life feat with a final build of horc thf battlecleric clr17/ftr2/rog1 or human twf khopesh fvs18/mnk2. Either one of those builds with that feat comes much closer to my ftr.

For some reason I find that groups are usually not very accepting when it comes to battle clerics, while most don't have anything against a melee FVS.

I know, it's pretty weird really. Maybe the "nanny" icon is too firmly embedded now, lol.

[transtemporal]

True but the fighter DPs drops to zero when his points run out , a FVS drops to zero when his hit points run out after his CLW runs out

Yes, yes that is very true. Also, quite bizzare, since it's not really the norm for a DPS ftr to run quests without some source of healing (except for a few crazies with silver flame pots).

[Lerincho]

Yes, yes that is very true. Also, quite bizzare, since it's not really the norm for a DPS ftr to run quests without some source of healing (except for a few crazies with silver flame pots).

It scares me that you are giving cleric or FvS advise to people. I do say that with the upmost respect on the fact that you cannot kill me anymore.

[transtemporal]

It scares me that you are giving cleric or FvS advise to people.

Verily, my advice is to players as scripture is to, like, y'know, religious types. Lol.

And watch it, I can still join tassy's group you know, bloody Gil! :P

[Lerincho]

Verily, my advice is to players as scripture is to, like, y'know, religious types. Lol.

And watch it, I can still join tassy's group you know, bloody Gil! :P

Every Wednesday and Thursday night

[transtemporal]

Every Wednesday and Thursday night

I'm still at work when you guys are playing, which is why I always miss everything. *grumblegrumble*

[Lerincho]

I'm still at work when you guys are playing, which is why I always miss everything. *grumblegrumble*

Blame Rakky he's the old one that goes to bed at 9 p.m.

[SEMPER]

The FvS gets class HP enhancements, which the cleric does not, as well as melee class feats, which again the cleric does not. Furthermore, if you're pumping Str, Con, and Cha you have to sacrifice wisdom, lowering the save DCs of your spells and diminishing your crowd control ability making you less versatile and hurting your ability to prevent damage before it happens. Most importantly, the biggest advantage that a RS has over the FvS is the ability to heal for big numbers when needed - the RS can get higher numbers than a FvS. If you sacrifice the healing ability to spec the cleric for melee, you're diluting your greatest strength.

So I say it would be silly because you're creating a roughly equivalent melee character, but with fewer HP and SP, while at the same time diminishing both the versatility and the greatest strength of your class.

yep the hp's will be different but not by much I mean 40hps is nice but it isn't a huge difference imho and if your a melee/healing fvs your pumping str con and whats left into cha and maybe some int anyway so your not going to have any dc's either so that isn't a very good excuse , let alone you should be able to have a decent enough str and con to have a high enough wis for dc's and high enough cha for either divine might II or III and that is why your sacrificing some of your spell points in the first place , you will have the RS to make up for your spell points where a FVS just has mana

All I'm saying is either class can do great at melee/healing or offensive casting/healing you just need to know what your doing and where or how to distribute your build points , let alone if you can or are willing too a 36 pointer really helps both situations even better imho