How does FW do so much damage?

[Rheebus]

I am trying to get the calculations to come out... Please help!

Assumptions
1. no 1s or 2s are ever rolled for spell damage
2. average of 1d6 for spells is (3+4+5+6)/4 = 4.5
3. % increases to spell damage add up, then multiply the base damage

Wall of Fire Damage
29 Average Base Damage (26-32)
2d6 + 1 per caster level (20) = Ave 9+20

69 Average Additional Damage from feats, items, and enhancements (62-76)
+100% for Maximize Feat
+50% for Empower Feat
+50% for Superior Potency Item
+40% for level IV enhancement bonus
+240%
26 * 2.4 = 62.4
29 * 2.4 = 69.6
32 * 2.4 = 76.8

98 Average Total Damage

My Walls NEVER do less than 100 damage, and my sorcerer is level 16!

What am I missing? What am I doing wrong?

[hityawithastick]

Wall of fire uses 1d3+3. Which means you're getting 4-5-6, not 3-4-5-6, IIRC. Which makes the average 5.

[Lord_Thanatos]

Superior Inferno Clickies are +75% instead of the written +50% bonus.

[FlyingTurtle]

Also, inferno clickies and potions are more effective than their descriptions, e.g. sup is +75%, not +50% as advertised.

EDIT: NINJA'ed by a dude's first post!

You're also ignoring the spell crits, which happen quite a lot with a lore item + maxed enhancements

[hityawithastick]

also, Inferno Clickies And Potions Are More Effective Than Their Descriptions, E.g. Sup Is +75%, Not +50% As Advertised.

Qft.

[FlyingTurtle]

No cheever... Rhee is right, they stack additively not multiplicatively.

EDIT: Cheever... cheever... anyone... cheever?

He deleted his post!

[hityawithastick]

No cheever... Rhee is right, they stack additively not multiplicatively.

EDIT: Cheever... cheever... anyone... cheever?

He deleted his post!

No! Whyy? He was so young, so full of life

[cheever77]

Sry guys realised I was wrong so after I hit submit soooo got rid of it.

Is early here and not thinkin str8

[Rheebus]

Updated, removing 3s from base and additional damage rolls. Still see issue...

I am trying to get the calculations to come out... Please help!

Assumptions
1. no 1s or 2s are ever rolled for spell damage
2. average of 1d6 for spells is (4+5+6)/4 = 5
3. % increases to spell damage add up, then multiply the base damage

Wall of Fire Damage
30 Average Base Damage (28-32)
2d6 + 1 per caster level (20) = Ave 10+20

72 Average Additional Damage from feats, items, and enhancements (67-76)
+100% for Maximize Feat
+50% for Empower Feat
+50% for Superior Potency Item
+40% for level IV enhancement bonus
+240%
28 * 2.4 = 67.2
30 * 2.4 = 72
32 * 2.4 = 76.8

102 Average Total Damage @ LEVEL 20 (95-108)
30 + 72 = 102

My Walls NEVER do less than 100 damage, and my sorcerer is level 16! I should see ticks of less than 100, and I never do. My level 16 caster should only see 81-94 per tick (-4 from base and 10 from additional).

What am I missing? What am I doing wrong?

[Kinerd]

If you could record the exact numbers you do actually see (and their relative frequencies), that would be a big help.

[donfilibuster]

If you could record the exact numbers you do actually see (and their relative frequencies), that would be a big help.

to make anything from relative frequencies it must be a large enough sample, say, 400 numbers. else won't be of much help.

[GotSomeQuestions]

You have the formula wrong. It is:

base x (1 + enhancements + potency) x (1 + metamagics)

So:

30 x (1 + 0.4 + 0.5) x (1 + 1 + 0.5) = 142.5

[Jaid314]

ummm... isn't the damage formula:

base * (enhancements + items) * (metamagic)

that's what i've heard at any rate.

so at level 16, your average with loaded dice for damage is 26.

multiply by 1.9 (i'm assuming you don't use clickies), then multiply *that* by 2.5

you get 123.5 (rounds to 123) average, with minimum 104.5 (rounded to 104) at level 16.

if you do use inferno clickies then you average 139.75 damage, with a minimum of 118.25 (rounded to 118) at level 16.