predictions of the end of the RL World

[English_Warrior]

Regarding the whole Andromeda collision thing...its unlikely to have any effect on our solar system (or many others for that matter).

99.99999% of the 2 galaxies are made of empty space...there will be very few interactions between the physical matter of the two. All that is going to happen is that the the two galaxies will start moving together rather than being 2 seperate galaxies.

The chance of anything in Andromeda interfering with the normal operation of our solar system is very small.

[Aurora1979]

Regarding the whole Andromeda collision thing...its unlikely to have any effect on our solar system (or many others for that matter).

99.99999% of the 2 galaxies are made of empty space...there will be very few interactions between the physical matter of the two. All that is going to happen is that the the two galaxies will start moving together rather than being 2 seperate galaxies.

The chance of anything in Andromeda interfering with the normal operation of our solar system is very small.

I love theoretical physics

The only thing of great worry if the two were to collide (which is only a possible theory itself) is gravitation effect.

But again, the whole process will take billions of years, and thats once the two galaxies have started to combine. We gota get a bit closer to each other yet. Basically your correct though. other galaxies have combined and they creat a super galaxy but both, for the large part, survive intact. There would be some collisions though as gravity fields pass.

[MarinMegara123]

99.99999% of the 2 galaxies are made of empty space...there will be very few interactions between the physical matter of the two. .

Maybe you are just referring to luminous matter? What about Dark matter? Most of the stuff in our galaxy is made up of dark matter...

[transtemporal]

Well obviously the world ends in 2012. The Mayans and Nostradamus said so, so it must be true. They've never been wrong!

[English_Warrior]

Maybe you are just referring to luminous matter? What about Dark matter? Most of the stuff in our galaxy is made up of dark matter...

Theoretically there is about 4 times the amount of dark matter in our galaxy than regular matter.... that still leaves 99.99999% of our galaxy taken up by empty space.

[PopeJual]

This OVER 9000 times. The Mayan calendar is essentially a giant windup (great) grandfather clock. Assuming that all the numbers and dates were converted to our calendar system correctly, then the calendar stops on December 21st, 2012. That's it. Maybe by then someone will have figured out how to wind it up again. xD

No! You and Aurora1979 are both incorrect, because the world MUST end any time a calendar runs out of dates to supply the needed time to our realm.

This is why the world ends every Dec 31.


(Note: by "the end of the world" we are talking about the need to buy an updated calendar and copy over the birthdays from the last one, right?)

[Aurora1979]

No! You and Aurora1979 are both incorrect, because the world MUST end any time a calendar runs out of dates to supply the needed time to our realm.

This is why the world ends every Dec 31.


(Note: by "the end of the world" we are talking about the need to buy an updated calendar and copy over the birthdays from the last one, right?)

AHHHHH shoot! Your right of course. as our spiritual father, pope, I should alos ammend my earlier statment about the age of the earth because we all know its 6000 years old since the creator made the earth.....

[DelverRootnose]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWVshkVF0SY

or this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ

[Flavilandile]

The 21st of December 2012 is just the end of a world in the Mayan Calendar... we go from the Fifth world to the Sixth world... Everybody in this forum should know it's classic. *hint hint*

And most of the hype about that date comes both from said mayan calendar and how it has been used for <cencored on purpose, you've got to work to find the thing if you dindn't get the hint>

[AndyD47]

Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I've tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To know that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice.

By Robert Frost (1874-1963)

[Uska]

Insects I tell you the world will end when one of you ticks me off enough

[Aganthor]

Does the end of the world occurs when our calendar hit December 31st?

Not so huh!

Well so is the Mayan calendar.... December 21 2012 is the end of their cyclic calendar but certainly not the end of the world!

DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE ABOUT THIS! (Sorry for caps, but this ticks me off a bit!)

[MartinusWyllt]

Mayan number 1: ... So... how long we supposed to do this flipping clanander for anyway??

Mayan Number 2: Im not sure but boss said to do it till 2012.... Im sure by then some gregorian bloke would have come up with an easier solution...

I just think that they were looking/ planning ahead and thought they had covered enough.

Simplest and most reasonable explanation. I doubt any but a very few of the most neurotic people plan their personal calendars much past one year, much less for twenty years or so.

The end of humanity will likely be engineered by humanity, through our own global, um, transformations. We have real problems as a species independent of vague and "optimistically" interpreted predictions. Like...fresh water shortages, disruptions in global biogeochemical cycling and the attendant impacts on things like food production and distribution.

I cannot find it now, but I read of a 4 or 5 model prediction for handling the impact of our increased population stress on our available resources. One suggests increasingly novel technological solutions like increasingly bioengineered detoxification, food and fuel production. One suggested actually reduction our consumption (the ultimate "green" project, getting the minority of people consuming the majority of resources to consume less), now color me pessimistic but I really, really don't see this happening.

Anyway the short is, as has already been suggested, if we're boned we're boned...no one in the ancient world predicted it except by the common observation that all men die.

[MartinusWyllt]

The 21st of December 2012 is just the end of a world in the Mayan Calendar... we go from the Fifth world to the Sixth world... Everybody in this forum should know it's classic. *hint hint*

And most of the hype about that date comes both from said mayan calendar and how it has been used for <cencored on purpose, you've got to work to find the thing if you dindn't get the hint>

If I make it past VITAS I can hope to be part of the 1%. Go MIT&T!

[dunklezhan]

If I make it past VITAS I can hope to be part of the 1%. Go MIT&T!

You can certainly hope, yes. Then you'll have to deal with The Crash, assuming you don't goblinise and perish or go mad during the process.

Honestly. Always your minds on the future. Never your minds on where. You. Are.

I confess to being glad that dracoforms seem to be immune to VITAS. Sadly, so do certain subsections of the nobilis population. But then they ever were irksome.

Edit:

The only thing of great worry if the two were to collide (which is only a possible theory itself) is gravitation effect.

You beat me to it there. Yes, physical collision is not the worry. Gravitation-sheer effects are more likely to be the problem.

[Isolani]

Read some of J. Richard Gott's papers on the Copernican Principle (also known as the Doomsday Argument by some). Or read the last couple chapters of Gott's book "Time Travel in Einstein's Universe" which explains the Copernican Principle with almost no math involved. Brandon Carter and John A. Leslie have also written papers on this subject, I believe Carter was credited with being the first person to consider the idea.

The Copernican Principle basically says that things that have existed for a long time are likely to continue to exist, and things that haven't been around for long may not stay around for long. It's a really simple statistical analysis of things like how long the human race will last. Essentially, it's a way of predicting future longevity based on past longevity, it makes no predictions on how or why something may end. There are some counterarguments against it by other physicists and philosophers out there if you are interested, but I find Gott's argument more convincing because it is so simple, yet difficult to refute.

In the end, the simple fact is that we have to escape this planet if we want any hope for the survival of the human race, but the copernican principle also suggests that this is an unlikely outcome. If the human race expands into space and survives a billion years into the future, then most of the humans who ever live would live in this future space colonizing epoch. If 99.999999% of all the humans who ever live will live in this space colonizing future, then why are we not space colonists playing DDO from a base on some alien world? This is an unlikely outcome. It is far more likely that we will simply die off without ever leaving this planet in any significant colonization effort.

[crazy7381]

Do not fear for tomorrow but live for today because it is all that we are guaranteed life can change at the drop of a hat make the most of it.

being a pastor in training this is my message to the masses who believe in christianity

Today is the day the Lord has made rejoice and be glad in it.

[bigolbear]

The big question for me is not what will happen when the world ends - be that in the unlikely 2012 or more likely in the 999 million years or some time inbetween, its whether they will have fixed the repeater bug, the recalling to meridia bug and if we will finaly have chairs in pubs we can sit in comfortably and a fresh pair of leather undies!

[CaptainCameo]

It will probably "end" when the sun reaches it's next stage in it's life cycle.

Honestly, if most of us aren't zooming through space by then and figured out how to replace our degenerating organs with new ones making us nearly immortal, I'm going to be very upset.

[MartinusWyllt1]

You can certainly hope, yes. Then you'll have to deal with The Crash, assuming you don't goblinise and perish or go mad during the process.

Honestly. Always your minds on the future. Never your minds on where. You. Are.

I confess to being glad that dracoforms seem to be immune to VITAS. Sadly, so do certain subsections of the nobilis population. But then they ever were irksome.

The Big D for President!

I'm too old for UGE, but my kids are not. Maybe through metamagical genomic studies we can sort out an inhibitor..or at least a decelerant to make the goblinization less traumatic. I look forward to developing magical means to manipulate DNA & gene expression.