Are elves just a flavour race now?

[NaturalHazard]

Im just struggling to think of what elves bring to the table thats so great and makes them stand out from the other races? AA? some people say that AA is just a flavour class? maybe one thats got some really great burst damage potential? But other than the +2 to hit and damage with bows and racial access to AA what else really?

[r3dl4nce]

favored soul 18 / monk 2 elf

[Snormal]

When scimitars get made into ki weapons for Valenar monks, elves will be a solid monk/paladin multiclass.

[donfilibuster]

oh, but they have flavor, elves taste like chicken

[Anthorin]

oh, but they have flavor, elves taste like chicken

How disappointing. I had hoped that cooked, they would smell of bacon.

[NaturalHazard]

How disappointing. I had hoped that cooked, they would smell of bacon.

anyone tried that chicken bacon? apparently it contain less fat than the real thing? sorta like elves? no tasty junk in those trunks .

[NaturalHazard]

When scimitars get made into ki weapons for Valenar monks, elves will be a solid monk/paladin multiclass.

This would be cool, just too bad on the hp

[unbongwah]

I like elves - or at least I keep trying to put together good elf builds - but were they ever NOT a "flavour race?" They're certainly not the minmaxer's choice. Heck, with the HE dilly enhs added, they don't even make the best AAs anymore.

[Loromir]

Im just struggling to think of what elves bring to the table thats so great and makes them stand out from the other races? AA? some people say that AA is just a flavour class? maybe one thats got some really great burst damage potential? But other than the +2 to hit and damage with bows and racial access to AA what else really?

Well, I am currently leveling a 18/2 Elf Fighter/Rogue with the Valenar line for Falchions and Rogue for evasion. I'm to lvl 7 right now, and am really liking him. It may be a flavor build, but he hits pretty hard with that falchion, and I expect him to only get better in Later levels.

We shall see.

[Emili]

Elves

• Started strong in ddo as an arcane min/max build Bard, Sorc and wizard - level cap 10 mana was to come by and sorc/wiz could actually get meaningful ac - and decent in some of the areas like rogue or ranger.
• When Drow were introduced Elves took a back seat to the "better elf" as some of the the players called them.
• Elves and drow both had the same enhancements at first.
• When 32 points introduced and enhancements openned elves fell into a nitch of rangers spec'd area for soloing DQ's.
• Enhancement system redone and openned up (four enhancements turned to many, weapons flavors added, etc...) Dwarves and Drow ruled.
• They lost even more ground as an arcane when WF immunities were fixed and Humans got adaptability (placing WF and humans back on the table)
• Mana became a non-issue plentiful with items introduced.
• As such elves never regained any area for themselves to excell.

[grodon9999]

This is going to sound really stupid . . . but I swear whenever I need to do something "Super Mario" on a toon, it's always easier on my elf.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Only race to have a PRE.
Full blown AA with less than 20 Rgr lvls.

Longsword/Rapier or Scimitar/Falchion enhancements.
Bow enhancements

More Wiz SP.

Displacement (and Invis) Dragon Mark!

Clr/Pal can raise dead at lvl 6.


A few other things, but those are the best IMO.

[k1ngp1n]

Only race to have a PRE.
Full blown AA with less than 20 Rgr lvls.

Helf has it too, and is better

Longsword/Rapier or Scimitar/Falchion enhancements.
Bow enhancements

All of which are lackluster weapons in the current state-of-game for people who worry about these things.

More Wiz SP.

Have you seen how much you actually get? It's pathetic.

Displacement (and Invis) Dragon Mark!

Clickies.

Clr/Pal can raise dead at lvl 6.

True 'nuf, once per 5 mins.

A few other things, but those are the best IMO.

I play only -2 con races, btw.

[stricq]

Im just struggling to think of what elves bring to the table thats so great and makes them stand out from the other races? AA? some people say that AA is just a flavour class? maybe one thats got some really great burst damage potential? But other than the +2 to hit and damage with bows and racial access to AA what else really?

Elves are the best looking race in the game. (Half-Elves are the ugliest.)

[Ganak]

Pretty good enhancement, makes for a nice flavor elven wizard

I love my elven ranged ranger

[Kosus]

They bring neat Arcane Archer combos to the table.
Pure AA/Spellsinger bards, while maybe not the most OP combo, are fun.
Hunter of the Dead/AA Paladins, haven't made one but it's doable.
Other than that sort of thing though, it seems to be pretty much just flavor.

[karnokvolrath]

I completely agree with the idea of the enhancement line boosting DC's over Spell Pen.

Expecially with most worth while casters already having a wizard past life or two, you could even back roll it a bit, granting spell pen on the 1st two and d'cs the latter two.

Or perhaps two seperate lines that you could only choose one or the other, one focused on spellpen and extra mana, the other for dcs and maybe a small amount of hps or something?

I dont know, even with the boost your talking about i still personally wouldnt be thinking "OMG my new elven arcane is gonna own."

I would love if elf got somewhere near or even above the rank of the WF and Drow, because elves need something, ANYTHING, even if it is just a niche. At this point just about every class and build idea can be done better if its not an elf.