Man do I miss the old days.

[Hordo]

Having the ONLY Vorpal (poor little +1 hand axe) on the server (VoNs wasn't even released yet) and laughing my ass off as we ran through TS.

P.S. nobody had a clue what was happening, and I wasn't saying

That was definitely epic. I remember hearing about that and being SO jealous! LOL

[uhgungawa]

Yeah, back then you almost needed a 20 to hit those **** Black Guard anyways. So any hit = POP

[Hordo]

Yeah, back then you almost needed a 20 to hit those **** Black Guard anyways. So any hit = POP

You have no idea how much I wanted those #&*$ blackguards to "turn blue" and keel over, too! LOL

[TFPAQ]

Reading through this thread and seeing the UA -TS post reminds me of running D back in the day when a now uber player didn't have anything to hit the ghostie skels with, so he was using the Silver Flame Club.

We used to save up all of our clubs from multiple XP runs and mail them to him until his mailbox was full.

Fastforward a couple of years with the advent of TR ...

His mailbox is full again...

... while I do miss some of the "good old days", I've been impressed with many of the "new" players coming up.

Typically the really bad ones were/are so bad that they overshadow how many good/great "new" players are actually out there.

[Thrudh]

He sure doesn't sound like it on these boards... He probably starts more "I hate people" threads than anyone.

I just did a search on threads started by Disavowed...

First 25

5 are about Drunken Shrouds
4 are about setting up a raid
7 are misc questions about the game
1 is a trade offer
1 is a prop to newbies
1 is a prop to Aussies

6 are about how noobs suck.

24% of the threads you have started lately have been about how noobs suck.

I'm not debating how great he is in the game... My gut reaction when I see a thread of his is, "here's comes another thread about how noobs suck"... And it turns out my gut reaction was correct...

I'm not judging you... You sound like a great guy in-game... I'm just pointing out that on these boards, you come across with a different attitude than you probably intend.

[Thrudh]

Well since we've been on for the same amount of time, and I know from playing with this person over the years. What guilds this pesron runs/has run with. I'd say yes it's safe to say that this person has pugged less than me. Not an assumption but a matter of knowing what's happened over the course of time. Not to suck my own member but you will be hard pressed to find people like me who have never been in a guild and almost always pug instead of soloing or running with a guild for close to 5 years. They're out there but we're few and far apart.

FYI 5+ years for anyone on here would be a stretch. 5 years yes, 5 years + a few days yes, 5 years + a couple of months yes, but let's not make it sound like an eternity. And neither one of us has hit the 5 year mark.

FYI, I play on Thelanis only... Have we played together?

Also, I only joined a guild for the first time 6 months ago... I have done nothing but PUG in all my years here as well... However, I only have 7 capped characters (3 single-TRs, one double-TR), not 17, so you probably do have more PUGing experience than I...

But, believe me, I know PUGs... And they ain't that bad (at least, on my server)

[Thrudh]

I still think its crazy that this turned into a vet vs newb thread when knowing Dis like I do, it was not meant that way.

What? Read the OP again....

I remember a time when if you saw an LFM and hit join and knew you were in for a fun run and the chances of failing were slim. Even if you did fail it wasn't a big deal since you were still running with good players and good people.

Todays DDO is entirely different. When you join a group you have no clue what your walking into. It may be a bunch of tards, or it may be the leader is a tard and is going to make you prove yourself before you can join. Keep in mind it's a quest that you know you can solo, you just felt like running with some company instead of soloing it.

I remember when all I would do is put up an LFM and know it was going to be fun. I would never solo. Now I don't even bother with an LFM. If I don't see anybody I know online. I just grab a pocket whatever and go run it by myself. It's sad where things have gone.

How is that not a vet vs newb thread?

"Back when we were all vets, everything was great, and PUGing was fun... Now with all these tards (new players) around, things suck... I don't even bother putting up an LFM anymore, because I'll probably just get a bunch of tards in my group!"

You all know him, so you take the post the right way, but any new player reading that is going to hear "noobs have ruined this game. It was more fun before the new players showed up"

[Elation]

so what you mean is you liked it back in the old days when you were getting carried through the quests but now that you are doing the carrying it isn't fun anymore?

Never had to carry him or his wife through a quest what he is stating is that the days when people pushed the groups to complete lvl 8 quests on hard in elite with groups of lvl 4-5 getting the bonus for doing the quest below lvl and learning how to play and mitigate damage and how to use tactics other then "I am awesome followed by roar splat". Please dont comment unless you actaully have a clue what your talking about. There is alot of people who never bother to learn how to play effectively now.

[elujin]

some vets turn newbies bad , zerging to all quests
the newbie try's to copy that style but doesn't have the skill or gear or knowlage to do so .

those old pugs do sound like fun but i don't know how it would go down if i tell a tr "he lets take things slow in this quest and make notes and stuff " he will be laughing at me the whole quest .

I am getting sick of the amount of threads about pugs beeing bad and always full of idiots this thread however is decent and remenisent of a better time thats and not just noob bashing but you need to forgive some people reacting strongly on it becous most of these threads arn't

personaly i pug all the time and it is hell sometimes but greath pugs still come along more often then not and i pug on orien

[flynnjsw]

What? Read the OP again....



How is that not a vet vs newb thread?

"Back when we were all vets, everything was great, and PUGing was fun... Now with all these tards (new players) around, things suck... I don't even bother putting up an LFM anymore, because I'll probably just get a bunch of tards in my group!"

You all know him, so you take the post the right way, but any new player reading that is going to hear "noobs have ruined this game. It was more fun before the new players showed up"

Wow, and people tell me I over analyze stuff. Saying something has changed does not mean that "newbs" were the ones that changed it. Things changed. It happens everywhere every day. It does not have to be a byproduct of a certain group.

However, you formed your opinion so I am not going to bother debating it with you.

[flynnjsw]

some vets turn newbies bad , zerging to all quests
the newbie try's to copy that style but doesn't have the skill or gear or knowlage to do so .

Your best bet if you want to actually learn like that is to make your own LFM's. Don't be afraid to put what you plan on doing in the LFM. Don't be afraid to say you are new. It is easier to know going in than being surprised.

[Eladiun]

Wow, and people tell me I over analyze stuff. Saying something has changed does not mean that "newbs" were the ones that changed it. Things changed.

Yeah, it kinda does. Especially in this case. The only variable in the equation are new players in the pugs. It's a simple logic progression. I'm not saying it's what the OP meant to say but it is certainly implied.

[Thrudh]

Heh, I went to the next page of threads started by Disavowed and found some more gems...

Dude, it sounds like you're an awesome guy, but you really can't get upset at people assuming you're a noob-hater when you own threads like these....

"Noob stupid remark of the week"
"Will they ever learn?"
"Noobs are still clueless!"
"Holy cow! You gotta love the newbies. I see trouble ahead."

And then a bunch of threads that are variations of

"Wow"
"Debate this!"

which turn out to descriptions of some terrible PUG you were in...

I LIKE reading your threads... Train wreck PUG stories are FUN! But understand that you come off on the boards as someone who really doesn't like new players.

[Hordo]

Yeah, it kinda does. Especially in this case. The only variable in the equation are new players in the pugs. It's a simple logic progression. I'm not saying it's what the OP meant to say but it is certainly implied.

Logic?

You use logic on the DDO forums?

On a Khyber Server thread?

SHAME ON YOU ELADUIN!!!


You know better than to actually post something that involves logic and reasoning on a Khyber thread on a Friday!

As High Rabbi of Gornn, I call upon His /Hugness to punish you by making you stand in a fountain getting spanked by Emili.

...ummm...wait...

You might like that...


Carry on...

[Dragon-Kin]

Check my join date.

I do not ask for eq links when I am forming Shroud, VoD, etc... I take, with a few exceptions, most anyone that can breath.

I'll attest to this fact “heavy breathing on mic”

Do ya think I’m sexy stainer?

[Elation]

Heh, I went to the next page of threads started by Disavowed and found some more gems...

Dude, it sounds like you're an awesome guy, but you really can't get upset at people assuming you're a noob-hater when you own threads like these....

"Noob stupid remark of the week"
"Will they ever learn?"
"Noobs are still clueless!"
"Holy cow! You gotta love the newbies. I see trouble ahead."

And then a bunch of threads that are variations of

"Wow"
"Debate this!"

which turn out to descriptions of some terrible PUG you were in...

I LIKE reading your threads... Train wreck PUG stories are FUN! But understand that you come off on the boards as someone who really doesn't like new players.

Does it really matter how he comes across the forums? He runs training runs of the basic raids for all new players often enough. Sorry you dont get to hear come "noobs" get a cuddle what fun is talking about that? Do you post every time you have a good run with a pug? Do i have to go dig through your posts to check and make sure your hugging them correctly? Alot of us have pugged alot myself including I enjoy meeting people but i also find myself soloing more and more. What can you do people are not trying to learn new ways to improve their own play style they charge in +2 longsword swinging and wonder what happens when the three hit combo of the ogres kills them in one step.

[flynnjsw]

Yeah, it kinda does. Especially in this case. The only variable in the equation are new players in the pugs. It's a simple logic progression. I'm not saying it's what the OP meant to say but it is certainly implied.

Don't step on my toes when I am soap-boxing. Sheesh. Logic.

[Yajerman01]

Heh, I went to the next page of threads started by Disavowed and found some more gems...

Dude, it sounds like you're an awesome guy, but you really can't get upset at people assuming you're a noob-hater when you own threads like these....

"Noob stupid remark of the week"
"Will they ever learn?"
"Noobs are still clueless!"
"Holy cow! You gotta love the newbies. I see trouble ahead."

And then a bunch of threads that are variations of

"Wow"
"Debate this!"

which turn out to descriptions of some terrible PUG you were in...

I LIKE reading your threads... Train wreck PUG stories are FUN! But understand that you come off on the boards as someone who really doesn't like new players.

Just for clarification, and I might be wrong here but I think your intermingeling "noob" with "newb". Homonymes can be like that but my understanding is:

"newb" - A new player, greenhorn, not familiar with....
"noob" - Ostreporuous, arrogant, misinformed, ignorant.....
additionally, a "tard" to me is someone who is acting ******** about a situation or act...

I get what your saying T, but your argument thus far has been about "noobs" which I do not think Dis is either talking abotu nor would disagree on you about.

just saying.

[Lifeblood]

Logic?

I call upon His /Hugness to punish you by making you stand in a fountain getting spanked by Emili.

are you calling on Gornn or Stainer?

[stainer]

are you calling on Gornn or Stainer?

Hug = Gornn