epic only mod please

[Rog]

can we get a quest chain thats only epic not remade into epic to give old school capped players a place to go where we can test are skills. and for the raid end reward
1. new races that can be unlocked
2. new classes that can be unlocked ie not sold in the store
we have uber loot we have plat
in my humble opion this would allow old school gamers somthing to stride for and hours of game time raiding and bringing up new classes and races
can we say druids or exotic races
i cant play right now due to training but when i get back online i would love to see this happen
mojomuscle

[bryanmeerkat]

can we get a quest chain thats only epic not remade into epic to give old school capped players a place to go where we can test are skills. and for the raid end reward
1. new races that can be unlocked
2. new classes that can be unlocked ie not sold in the store
we have uber loot we have plat
in my humble opion this would allow old school gamers somthing to stride for and hours of game time raiding and bringing up new classes and races
can we say druids or exotic races
i cant play right now due to training but when i get back online i would love to see this happen
mojomuscle

No thank you , I would have no problem with Epic only quests but your reward suggestion is terrible

[Drfirewater79]

No thank you , I would have no problem with Epic only quests but your reward suggestion is terrible

This is the problem ... almost no one likes epics as is ... making a quest pack that is only epic ... you might as well not charge anything cause no one is gonna buy it. They could offer the best rewards ever and still no one will do it except the elitist jerks. Same like 90% of the epic content now. The quests arent that hard .. but getting a party for them can take longer then a shroud to fill and shroud items are better then most epics.

[Unreliable]

no thanks.

Additionaly, if turbine would release new adventure packs, they would never release only epic. Most people who buy the packs buy it to run it normal-elite, remember this is now a f2p game, the ''epic'' playerbase is very small compared to the lower level playerbase. They only throw in epic to keep the ''epic'' players content, but remember they are catering to the lower levels, which is most of the playerbase.

[Drfirewater79]

no thanks.

Additionaly, if turbine would release new adventure packs, they would never release only epic. Most people who buy the packs buy it to run it normal-elite, remember this is now a f2p game, the ''epic'' playerbase is very small compared to the lower level playerbase. They only throw in epic to keep the ''epic'' players content, but remember they are catering to the lower levels, which is most of the playerbase.

Your not entirely right here. The game has been free to play for a year now .. .many people have 3-4 capped characters some even mutliple trs not everyone is playing this game at lower levels only.

BUT your right about the normal to elite... most are doing it for favor to earn more points or for favor rewards to prevent needing to buy things like favored soul or 32 point builds. Most people are only doing epics so they dont have to pay for hearts of wood for TRing and mainly elitists and large guilds are the only ones doing epic raids. Very few pugs for anything other then DQ at least on sarlona. Only time you see a epic von6 or chronoscope is when the LFM says dont click if i dont know you or some other elitist jerk message.

[enntense]

Epic content=too cheap to come up with new content.

[grodon9999]

Somebody didn't get the memo . . .

[MrkGrismer]

/not signed if epic stays what it currently is. Also any 'unlock' would have to be suitably 'epic only' (basically a +20 level adjustment)

[Geonis]

Do people not understand that the "Epic" is for "the best if the best" line is not true.

"Epic" is for the "like to whack on things for several minutes at a time to mind-numbingly grind out equipment that is slightly better then the equipment you spent months grinding out previously".

Until Turbine does a revamp, the majority of folks don't do "Epic". As such, the development of "Epic" has been put on the back burner, since it doesn't make money.

[Rog]

Do people not understand that the "Epic" is for "the best if the best" line is not true.

"Epic" is for the "like to whack on things for several minutes at a time to mind-numbingly grind out equipment that is slightly better then the equipment you spent months grinding out previously".

Until Turbine does a revamp, the majority of folks don't do "Epic". As such, the development of "Epic" has been put on the back burner, since it doesn't make money.

i cant say i ever had a problem with epic quest or raids i did feel a little under powered so i decided to double tr. before going back to epic. i enjoy the quest and i am sure the minor issues i had at 32 wont be there at 36. cant wait to cap since i cant play the waiting bites. the majority of the players should not be running epic anyways its not how fast you can get to 20 its more about equipment build player skills> high player skill will make up for lack of equipment to a point. but for poeple that run epic have the skills equiment and the builds i think it would be a great thing to raid for. not pushing the common players out there should aways be new races for everyone but we should should also be rewarded for the hard core GRIND which if done proper takes years.
mojomuscle

[Geonis]

It is not that "Epic" is hard, it's that it is boring.

[Rog]

It is not that "Epic" is hard, it's that it is boring.

its boring true you know when the quest new is cool remade is old and boring have any idea how boring it got when the cap was 10 and the only thing to do was grind gaint caves, co6 elite, thernal loot runs or spine runs. yes its gets boring a epic only mod with a entire new area to explore and mybe even a new city ie saving a city thats not in stormreach from the evil then later it would give us a place to fly are airships after a certian number raids the city becomes a safe hold with new races class and a wide open area to explore.
just a thought
mojomuscle

[Phidius]

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a place to go where we can test are skills. and for the raid end reward
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Why is it that people who need a challenge to feel good about themselves also feel the need to be rewarded?

If you really want a challenge that is only for "the best of the best", you're much better off asking that there be no reward for it. That way, people like me who get their kicks out of improving their characters don't feel cheated out of uber loot and won't b*tch to Turbine for an easy mode.

If the challenge had no reward other than bragging rights, people like me would stay the hell away from it, and it wouldn't get nerfed down the road.

[Rog]

Why is it that people who need a challenge to feel good about themselves also feel the need to be rewarded?

If you really want a challenge that is only for "the best of the best", you're much better off asking that there be no reward for it. That way, people like me who get their kicks out of improving their characters don't feel cheated out of uber loot and won't b*tch to Turbine for an easy mode.

If the challenge had no reward other than bragging rights, people like me would stay the hell away from it, and it wouldn't get nerfed down the road.

in truth i dont really care just looking for a way to get new races and classes into the game and figued what the hell might as well try this but its seems the player base is not for it as for no players playing epic just checked the market place in khyber and all that seems to be in hi demand is scrolls why when nobody plays it is every looking for them.

[Phidius]

in truth i dont really care just looking for a way to get new races and classes into the game and figued what the hell might as well try this but its seems the player base is not for it as for no players playing epic just checked the market place in khyber and all that seems to be in hi demand is scrolls why when nobody plays it is every looking for them.

Races (like half-elf and half-orc) just came out, and classes (like monk and FvS) have been released too. There's rumor about druid coming some day, but I don't think the hold up is because Turbine can't figure out a mechanism to introduce them into the game.

Re: Hi demand for scrolls - I'd guess it to be simple Supply & Demand. The limited Demand for the scrolls pales next to the even more limited Supply.

Just because 1% of the population is anxiously searching for the last piece they need to craft their Epic item doesn't mean that the system is a success.

[Hambo]

in truth i dont really care just looking for a way to get new races and classes into the game and figued what the hell might as well try this but its seems the player base is not for it as for no players playing epic just checked the market place in khyber and all that seems to be in hi demand is scrolls why when nobody plays it is every looking for them.

I think Turbine already has a way to get new races and classes into the game... The same way they introduced Drow, Monks, Favored Souls, Half Elves and Half Orcs.

Introducing new races and classes that you can only get by running Epic quests (not that I have anything against Epics) is the quickest way to generate a lot of unrest among 97% of the playerbase.

[AubreyPhoenix]

can we get a quest chain thats only epic not remade into epic to give old school capped players a place to go where we can test are skills. and for the raid end reward
1. new races that can be unlocked
2. new classes that can be unlocked ie not sold in the store
we have uber loot we have plat
in my humble opion this would allow old school gamers somthing to stride for and hours of game time raiding and bringing up new classes and races
can we say druids or exotic races
i cant play right now due to training but when i get back online i would love to see this happen
mojomuscle

I disagree with the idea completely. Why not develop more content that will appeal to more people? I've been playing casually for over a year, and have never capped a toon, and quite frankly the elitists are a turn-off. We don't want things getting as out of control as they did in Final Fantasy XI where the grind was incredibly intense, and my guild literally spent 19 hours taking down Absolute Virtue. One of us even fainted, and I threw up once. We do not want this coming to DDO, not at all. That experience and finding out that the FFXI devs decided to introduce a new raid boss that took even LONGER than Absolute Virtue caused me and the rest of my guild to take a 2 year break from MMORPGs, and I personally stopped playing all computer games for 6 months. I like this game well enough to subscribe, and have for over a year. I'm not opposed to epic content, and I think that people who put more time and effort into playing and designing good builds should be rewarded with new challenges and the loot that goes with it, but I think with epic-onlys you run the risk of having the challenge of the quest being as much about real life physical endurance as it is about play skill, build, tactics, teamwork and gear.

The way I see the state of the game, there is a level 6 raid, which is great for getting newbies ready for the concept, and I think they will be better prepared by the time they hit VoN, TS, Titan, DQ and beyond, and we have plenty of content at lower levels as well. Three Barrel Cove is fun, but the loot needs to be buffed slightly, because it is totally outshined by Delera's. In XP, Delera's and Necro are better options, even. The only reason to play it is fun factor and Free Agents favor. What we need is content for mid to late levels (12+), and the stuff in Lordsmarch is a wonderful start for that. Maybe add some named items with Lordsmarch/Mabar festival-style crafting to 3BC to make it more attractive? How about adding House Lyrandar, House Medani, and House Tharask as factions to get favor for, and add in quests for them in this level range, since we have half-elves and half-orcs now? Granted, Medani has not really been introduced at all into the game, but Lyrandar and Tharask have been. I would like to see that, and maybe add in gnomes and House Sivis?

Druid should not be a reward that it takes epic to achieve. We already have a class that is a serious grind to get hold of (Favored Souls), with the option of buying if you don't want to grind out all that favor, and keep your favor toon active and not TR. Speaking of TRs, I like this as an option for people who have capped, because it means that people who have played for a very long time have a reason to go back and play the lower level quests, and Turbine can develop content for everyone, not just the elite few. I'd like to see some good interesting stuff in the 14+ range now that we have Lordsmarch, but epic-only grind has the potential problem I listed above, as well as catering to a very narrow player base.

Peace, love, and (half) elves,
Aubrey