END Game: Nerf Hold Monster

[MrWizard]

well, they could just make each epic mob a 'living portal' like the portals from the shroud. Immune to everything, takes forever to kill, no crits, and we just swing to take down the 20,000 hit point portal..

and it hits us a lot for 80 points damage..

pretty much close to the original epic in a way...

I think for many, that would cause online character suicide and dents in our heads from banging them on the wall though.

[Nospheratus]

...and dents in our heads from banging them on the wall though.

Or dents on the walls!

[Crystalizer]

nerf the only useful arcane spell in epic content ?
then you will only need a bard, that's it
best idea from this thread is to stop designing epic content as being a dps & healers fest, which is boring to death
i would like to see some epic "use your brain" content ^^

[DRAGONSUPERDRAGON]

If you nerf hold monster make the stun from symbol of stunning an autocrit stun.

Yes, also soundburst stun.

[doubledge]

Yes, also soundburst stun.

stunning blow as well!

[grodon9999]

We did manage epics just fine before the Minion debuff made Mass Hold effective.

We had weighted weapons and crit-firewalls.

[redraider]

[Templarion]

And what is it before Epics?

Firewall and Jump

No thanks. The endgame tactic you just named is actually refreshing after 12 levels of playing.

[Qezuzu]

If you don't want to use hold then don't use hold.

The last OOB I ran had no CC; it was just aggro manipulation with a FWing Sorc.

[MrWizard]

Honestly, epic reminds me of the hard dungeons back in the early days. Hard dungeons meant it was hard to hit mobs, hard to kill them fast, they did party wipe damage, etc.

Back then you had methods in place for firewalling doors, 'safe area' firewalling, safe area ranging, and a host of 'safe' party tactics to survive. As time went by, players got better, better gear, and devs changed things so those methods did not have to be used.

It is humorous to see some of those methods from 4 years ago used today in some dungeons like tempest spine (the 'doorway' and fire/ice). Brings back memories for sure.


but here we are, epic. Epic was changed a bit to make it a bit easier on peeps. It allows more options than safe firewalling and stunning only. Soon they will add more changes to make it more playable and enjoyable.

As usual, the hardy few...the best of the best...took on epic when it came out and developed the methods used today. Hats off to them. The humorous thing will be down the road, long after the safe firewall, stun, and even hold monster are no longer needed....people will still run it that way out of routine.

My guess is, stun will be nerfed more than it already is in the future.

[Templarion]

As usual, the hardy few...the best of the best...took on epic when it came out and developed the methods used today. Hats off to them. The humorous thing will be down the road, long after the safe firewall, stun, and even hold monster are no longer needed....people will still run it that way out of routine.

My guess is, stun will be nerfed more than it already is in the future.

I hope you are wrong. I really like the methods we have at the moment. I really like the epics as they are.

[Cholera]

Ok so when you get to End Game its HOLD MONSTER+Dreamsplitter(insert other lvl drain item here) thats it. Seems pretty repetitive.

Please fix.

No I dont want to STOP grouping with a caster at end game so keep it real.

Ah yes, what is undoubtedly another melee only player has something to say about casters. Allow me to briefly rebut, sir.

If you are finding the “hold monster: mass” tactic too repetitive, perhaps you should play a caster for a time, develop an alternative that is as functional and then share it with us. Baring that option, you may wish to consider running without a caster. Yes, I know you’ve said that you do not wish to but you cannot have your cake and eat it, too. Because, you know, the whole eating thing has a way of making the cake go away.

Now, if I may, rather than calling for our class to be nerfed, we (of the caster persuasion) would prefer you just said thank you for making epics about one tenth as resource intensive as they would be otherwise and moved on.

Thank you for your time.

[grodon9999]

I hope you are wrong. I really like the methods we have at the moment. I really like the epics as they are.

Something works "too" well and Turbine will nerf it. It's how they roll.

I'm hoping the reboot makes the combat like Elite Amarath with vorpal immunity. Start from there and ramp up but leave the "physics" the same. Giving mobs 10,000 HP but easy methods of auto-crit is just stupid.

[Rodasch]

Yes, I know you’ve said that you do not wish to but you cannot have your cake and eat it, too. Because, you know, the whole eating thing has a way of making the cake go away.

The cake is a lie

(sorry it had to be said :P )

[voodoogroves]

Something works "too" well and Turbine will nerf it. It's how they roll.

I'm hoping the reboot makes the combat like Elite Amarath with vorpal immunity. Start from there and ramp up but leave the "physics" the same. Giving mobs 10,000 HP but easy methods of auto-crit is just stupid.

Agreed; but I don't even need vorpal immunity - maybe a save or something.

My guess is, stun will be nerfed more than it already is in the future.

Stun is currently more useful than it is in PNP, specifically stunning fist and stunning blow. Soundburst stun is more inline w/ how stun really works. Stun denies your dex, so you can be sneak attacked but it does not create a helpless situation and auto-crits. Hold/paralysis does.