END Game: Nerf Hold Monster

[iraiqat316]

Ok so when you get to End Game its HOLD MONSTER+Dreamsplitter(insert other lvl drain item here) thats it. Seems pretty repetitive.

Please fix.

No I dont want to STOP grouping with a caster at end game so keep it real.

[doubledge]

GOD no. how else are wupposed to kill the **** things before they kill us then? think about the healers?

[Cetus]

If you nerf hold monster make the stun from symbol of stunning an autocrit stun.

[DRAGONSUPERDRAGON]

If you nerf hold monster make the stun from symbol of stunning an autocrit stun.

Yes, also soundburst stun.

[doubledge]

Yes, also soundburst stun.

stunning blow as well!

[Kamo]

Why nerf a valid tactic. I say add more ways to do epics, but do not nerf mass hold monster.

[NaturalHazard]

Why nerf a valid tactic. I say add more ways to do epics, but do not nerf mass hold monster.

this

[Cam_Neely]

Ok so when you get to End Game its HOLD MONSTER+Dreamsplitter(insert other lvl drain item here) thats it. Seems pretty repetitive.

Please fix.

No I dont want to STOP grouping with a caster at end game so keep it real.

This is the wrong way to go about it.

Please Fix Epics. Make them not a grind where the most viable tactic is to hold monster and beat it with a dreamsplitter.

[grodon9999]

This is the wrong way to go about it.

Please Fix Epics. Make them not a grind where the most viable tactic is to hold monster and beat it with a dreamsplitter.

What he said

[Thrudh]

This is the wrong way to go about it.

Please Fix Epics. Make them not a grind where the most viable tactic is to hold monster and beat it with a dreamsplitter.

What he said, x2

[doubledge]

so to the op, the only reason i'd let hold monster be nerfed epic, is if they allowed vorpals and instant death spells.

[EyeRekon]

Please Fix Epics. Make them not a grind where the most viable tactic is to hold monster and beat it with a dreamsplitter.

This is a correct response. Not yet another blanket immunity.

[grodon9999]

A thread like this comes up every other day, figure I might as well ask . . .

Does anyone NOT think epic combat is stupid? Pretty much everyone posting is in agreement that the current hold/stun mobs with a zillion HP is the special-Olympics of DDO. Does anyone think this is actually a good gaming experience?

[Cam_Neely]

A thread like this comes up every other day, figure I might as well ask . . .

Does anyone NOT think epic combat is stupid? Pretty much everyone posting is in agreement that the current hold/stun mobs with a zillion HP is the special-Olympics of DDO. Does anyone think this is actually a good gaming experience?

I think this is widely accepted by players and Turbine employees alike, hence MadFloyd's (i think it was him) about 'An Epic Reboot'.

Now if we could only get details on what this might mean, or a time frame, it would be fanstastic...

Soon TM.

[doubledge]

look at dilbert.com. search hard reboot. watch vid. do what the dog says.

[voodoogroves]

No, it's dumb.

Elite Amrath is more enjoyable. The fact that I MAY land a finger or a wail is comforting, even though it's tough. The fact that most of epics is mass hold and/or gimmicks is annoying. Taking away hold takes away wiz/sorc pretty much completely (except for AoE /DoT spells where you're perching, etc. ... le sigh ...)




Epic items also have skewed the non-epic end-game. There's a ton of variability in character capability at 20; provided the players aren't completely wonky it is mostly gear-differential. VoD with 12 level 20s who only kinda got there recently and are only sporting HoX/VoD and maybe a few tier 2 GS is different than a group with a mess of decked-out 20s running with 5+ epic items.

I'm not sure how they can address the scaling, but I look forward to their ideas.

[redoubt]

A thread like this comes up every other day, figure I might as well ask . . .

Does anyone NOT think epic combat is stupid? Pretty much everyone posting is in agreement that the current hold/stun mobs with a zillion HP is the special-Olympics of DDO. Does anyone think this is actually a good gaming experience?

I don't.

I rarely play epic for that reason. Epic has faults that push me away. I don't like the extreme rarity of drops nor do I like blanket immunites.

For the topic of mass hold monster, don't you dare touch it. Turbine has already beat on CC (enchantment spec) casters too much.

[Bobthesponge]

*snip*

sorry, wrong thread... /facepalm

[timetorun177]

I find hold+DPS more effective.

[doubledge]

I find hold+DPS more effective.

you still haven't answered my question.. would you prefer kargons, or normal ham?