249 HP will not cut it in epic.

[Maxelcat]

Data Last Updated: 08/04/2010

shows me at 14th level. (and with some crappy HP i might add)

I'm currently 17th have better HP gear, eaten a tome, swapped some feats and have much better HP granted not awesome yet, I'm waiting till 20 before I greater heart to completely fix things.

Though i Do have more 249 at 17 so I'm safe in this situation. ;P

[k1ngp1n]

Data Last Updated: 08/04/2010

shows me at 14th level. (and with some crappy HP i might add)

I'm currently 17th have better HP gear, eaten a tome, swapped some feats and have much better HP granted not awesome yet, I'm waiting till 20 before I greater heart to completely fix things.

Though i Do have more 249 at 17 so I'm safe in this situation. ;P

See, that's the whole thing. I can look at you and say, 'Nope, myDDO is borked.' The date is way too late, levels don't match, obviously its not right.

That doesn't mean that a current update (within the last day or 2) isn't correct.

[Maxelcat]

See, that's the whole thing. I can look at you and say, 'Nope, myDDO is borked.' The date is way too late, levels don't match, obviously its not right.

That doesn't mean that a current update (within the last day or 2) isn't correct.

Yea but even if its up to date theres the gear bug...

the MyDDO snapshot might have him wearing haggle gear...

[k1ngp1n]

Yea but even if its up to date theres the gear bug...

the MyDDO snapshot might have him wearing haggle gear...

And the smart ones see Haggle gear, and account for that. The less-then-smart ones don't, sure, but why anyone would care what they think or want to run with them. :P

[Bernaise]

people Need To Read The Forums If They Want To Play In Epic Raids

Ftfy

[Solmage]

Yea but even if its up to date theres the gear bug...

the MyDDO snapshot might have him wearing haggle gear...

Look, I get it, you don't like it that people peek in and see exactly how gimped you may be. Tough. The intelligent people can use myddo to determine if it's just a haggle item or if a given character is borked, and if it's updating or not.

And yes, I'm looking also at the 14 strength, 14 dex fighter, which I wish I had never had the 'privilege' of running with - the best part? He thought he was the MVP because he could intimidate harry.

[Chai]

I will not let you in to an epic raid if myddo shows you lacking in every way.

Because ladies and gentlemen, we all know MyDDO is the best absolute way to critique someone you are weighing pros and cons against for making an invite or decline decision. -Not.

Last night someone asked me why I was trying to join their "being picky" group at level 15, when the toon has been level 20 for 6 months now. Lawl.

Yeah, if someone ACTUALLY HAS 249 HP I likely woundnt take them either, but if their character sheet doesnt look like it updated since the roaring 20s for OBVIOUS reasons....

You werent running the "being picky" group last night, were you?

[mws2970]

Um, my lvl 15 rogue has 252, IIRC. People, CON is not a dump stat. Then again, those of you reading the forums already know this. :P

Maybe we should spam the Harbor and Korthos advice channels with that info.

[Illiain]

And yes, I'm looking also at the 14 strength, 14 dex fighter, which I wish I had never had the 'privilege' of running with - the best part? He thought he was the MVP because he could intimidate harry.

Hey, it could work... if he had a 40+ con, 700hps, 100+AC, 40+blocking DR, 80+ intim and every damage guard known to exist.

Then a 14 str not a complete waste of a character slot for a fighter.

[timetorun177]

Hey, it could work... if he had a 40+ con, 700hps, 100+AC, 40+blocking DR, 80+ intim and every damage guard known to exist.

Then a 14 str not a complete waste of a character slot for a fighter.

Yes it is.

[Llewndyn]

If you are looking to MyDDO (which, for ALL of my characters hasn't updated since August) then not all the fault lies with them. And telling said player to check the forums out would help that "People need to read the forums" stuff, but then again, for all but the most mentally stalwart the forums is a place where you get randomly insulted by people who have the benefit of multiple TRs or must rely on someone else's build to play the game effectively. Now me? I enjoy getting randomly insulted, it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside that someone's thinking about me <3

Again, I agree with you, and in an epic you would think said player would know the difference, but then you have to do some simple math:

1. Algebra: If the player is doing epics, he got to 20. And no matter WHAT you tell me, there is no way to get to 20 piking. so SOMEWHERE along the line, this person contributed and lived to tell the tale. Case in point: my son is running a horribly gimped halfling wiz who at level 13 has 108 HP and sold the Acid Guard robe of heavy fort I bought him to get a +2 full plate and some striding boots. I decided to show him the folly of his ways and we headed out into Necro 4. He outlived me. CON is not a dump stat, but some people have adapted to be able to effectively play with less, so for them having 500+ HP is a waste. 250 is low, to be sure, but I have seen effective players working with that and a little less at end game.

2. Calculus: I don't know calculus.

3. Word Problem: If the player had 250 HP and got one shotted by a dragon, then we can deduce that he was in a plane of closer proximity to said dragon than he needed to be. This would lead me to believe that he was closer to said dragon than he needed to be. This would also beg the question: where were you? If the reason he got one shotted was because he ran ahead of the group and tried to melee with 8 str, then he deserved to die, this is a good thread and I am 100% in your corner. If he ran in because the party was wiping and the meat shields that were supposed to be in front of him were either smoking messes or running around in circles frantically chugging pots, then he had no choice but to valiantly take one in the face for the team, did he? This behavior is to be commended, especially if it bought the rest of the group time. Still needs more than 250 HP but if he was doing something outside his role then I would be less inclined to fault him for momentary heroics.

4. Big Picture Math: If the group had THAT much trouble after said player got one shotted, that says 2 things to me:

a) He was contributing at least SOMETHING and you're not telling us the whole story, or
b) The group was going to have trouble anyway and you wanted a scapegoat

either way I'm with you!

When I hit 20 for the first time on my rogue, I had 396 HP, heavy fort, all that stuff. Go into SoS, first time, other players were all speaking French so had no idea what they were saying, I get hit a few times in rapid succession and die. After laughing in stereotypical French style, the healer raises me. I LITERALLY have time to stand up and turn around to run off when I get hit by lightning or something again that hits for 95+ 2 or 3 times in a row and die again. Immediately they start asking why I'm so gimped. Normally I don't die. Normally I do fine with less than 400HP, never felt like I was wimpy or anything. Was just having a bad day that day. The same could be said for this guy.

Wow, I made that way harder than it needed to be, but you get my drift. While 250 HP is low for epic, the fact that he made it to 20 means he at least either knows that or knows his limitations and how to mitigate them and just caught a bad break this time.

[seskie1]

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Yes but the thing is if blood or serg put up a group and decide to myddo people they have had the displeasure of running with before or have run with before and myddo them, I have no problem with that because it's their group and their choice. (as i read it the rogue told them how many HP he had before they myddo'd him)

If they had to keep raising him the first few times because of his 249 HP, that's a waste of the clerics mana and groups resources. plain and simple.

Before I was the same, taking the first 12 people to hit the lfm in my epic raids and TODs but running with rogues who have had a higher intel then str wielding rapiers, wizards that use half their blue bar on buffs, melees with inadequate amount of HPs, and many more follies tells me that when I put up the lfm and want to use discretion when a player I have never run with before or fro ma questionable guilds hits my lfm and myddo him then it's my choice. I can see from his myddo how long it has been since it was updated and can decide from there if I'm accepting them or not.

Having less HPs is fine but epics is a different thing, if a person is getting one or two shotted then they are a liability to the whole group, plain and simple.

[Healemup]

I really hope the OP is the one who my related story is about...

I saw an LFM the essentially said "No noobs" or "Don't click on this if your a noob". There was one spot left and all the classes were available. I think I have a screen shot of what the quest and leader were, but I am not at my computer that has the screen shot. Anyway... I was looking for xp and I was on my level 18 reincarnate rogue, so I click on it.

I waited and waited for around 5 minutes. I get a reply, "Are you serious?" then the message that I was declined. I mean I know that people I run with sometimes think I'm a noob, but I didn't recognize the person, so I was kinda curious what he was referring to, but I waited about 3 or 4 minutes and simply replied "Have a Nice Day..."

Another minute goes by and I get "145 hp, really? Get some Hit Points"

Now, I am scratching my head on what the heck he is talking about. It took me about 5 mintues to realize that the last time I had logged out was after fighting the beholder in Soami Gardens and had 12 or was it 14 negative levels...

I got a chuckle to myself, but I figured I would explain to the guy. So I replied with what happened.

I asked him where he got his information (ok, so I had realized this by now, but I had to make sure, right?). He, of course, replies with "myddo". Then, I proceed to tell him the story. He replies, "you should log out and back in again then". For some reason, I found this a bit rude, so I just replied: "Its really not worth my time. Have a good day."

I think the final reply I got was: "Noob. Have a good day"

Now... I realize that some people like to use myddo for this kind of stuff, but do you have to be that lazy when you do it as well. Couldn't you take the time to do a slight bit of math?? I mean the gear that shows up on my toon at the time I logged was Menos Legons, one of the con6/gfl belts from Amarath, a con score in the mid 20s, etc. Now, I realize that he might not been able to tell that I have the toughness feat or the toughness enhancements, but... my standing hit points before buffing are 399 (I realize it isn't 500, but...)

I mean you might think I'm a noob for not being able log out/back in. Or you might think I'm a noob for not having 500 hp. Or you might just know me and think I'm a noob, but seriously... if you think you can get to level 18 and have 145 hp, you might want to look at your own noob meter...

[k1ngp1n]

the fact that he made it to 20 means he at least either knows that or knows his limitations and how to mitigate them and just caught a bad break this time.

Unfortunately, this is not the case. Getting to 20 is easy. Hell, when I level my melees I'm still in Korthos gear until like level 13. One of my toons flagged for Shroud before I got rid of my korthos **** and loaded +6s. Leveling is easy. By easy, I mean easy.

The real question is, did the player learn the lessons handed out along the way?

[timetorun177]

I really hope the OP is the one who my related story is about...

I saw an LFM the essentially said "No noobs" or "Don't click on this if your a noob". There was one spot left and all the classes were available. I think I have a screen shot of what the quest and leader were, but I am not at my computer that has the screen shot. Anyway... I was looking for xp and I was on my level 18 reincarnate rogue, so I click on it.

I waited and waited for around 5 minutes. I get a reply, "Are you serious?" then the message that I was declined. I mean I know that people I run with sometimes think I'm a noob, but I didn't recognize the person, so I was kinda curious what he was referring to, but I waited about 3 or 4 minutes and simply replied "Have a Nice Day..."

Another minute goes by and I get "145 hp, really? Get some Hit Points"

Now, I am scratching my head on what the heck he is talking about. It took me about 5 mintues to realize that the last time I had logged out was after fighting the beholder in Soami Gardens and had 12 or was it 14 negative levels...

I got a chuckle to myself, but I figured I would explain to the guy. So I replied with what happened.

I asked him where he got his information (ok, so I had realized this by now, but I had to make sure, right?). He, of course, replies with "myddo". Then, I proceed to tell him the story. He replies, "you should log out and back in again then". For some reason, I found this a bit rude, so I just replied: "Its really not worth my time. Have a good day."

I think the final reply I got was: "Noob. Have a good day"

Now... I realize that some people like to use myddo for this kind of stuff, but do you have to be that lazy when you do it as well. Couldn't you take the time to do a slight bit of math?? I mean the gear that shows up on my toon at the time I logged was Menos Legons, one of the con6/gfl belts from Amarath, a con score in the mid 20s, etc. Now, I realize that he might not been able to tell that I have the toughness feat or the toughness enhancements, but... my standing hit points before buffing are 399 (I realize it isn't 500, but...)

I mean you might think I'm a noob for not being able log out/back in. Or you might think I'm a noob for not having 500 hp. Or you might just know me and think I'm a noob, but seriously... if you think you can get to level 18 and have 145 hp, you might want to look at your own noob meter...

The op was about Epics and an EV6 we did together.

[spartin]

snip.. You werent running the "being picky" group last night, were you?

It wasnt a picky group. proof? i got int it.

[Llewndyn]

Yes but the thing is if blood or serg put up a group and decide to myddo people they have had the displeasure of running with before or have run with before and myddo them, I have no problem with that because it's their group and their choice. (as i read it the rogue told them how many HP he had before they myddo'd him)

If they had to keep raising him the first few times because of his 249 HP, that's a waste of the clerics mana and groups resources. plain and simple.

Before I was the same, taking the first 12 people to hit the lfm in my epic raids and TODs but running with rogues who have had a higher intel then str wielding rapiers, wizards that use half their blue bar on buffs, melees with inadequate amount of HPs, and many more follies tells me that when I put up the lfm and want to use discretion when a player I have never run with before or fro ma questionable guilds hits my lfm and myddo him then it's my choice. I can see from his myddo how long it has been since it was updated and can decide from there if I'm accepting them or not.

Having less HPs is fine but epics is a different thing, if a person is getting one or two shotted then they are a liability to the whole group, plain and simple.

A well thought out rebuttal that did not denigrate into namecalling or comparing my mother to love-making farm animals?! This is madness!

Yes I realize there are lots of caveats to my post but was too lazy to list them. And in retrospect, the only thing I am really adding is that reading the forums is not (though it should be) common knowledge amongst the majority of our players. OP could have pointed said rogue to these forums or given him a pointer or two (I'm not saying handhold or babysit or teach him the game, just a friendly "Hey moron you suck and here's why" would suffice) and then MAYBE would have gotten a better player out of it. I also did not note that the rogue knew he was gimped beyond all belief and was just trying to get tokens to TR, in which case it's a losing battle all around.

[LordPiglet]

cause you totally know myddo is soooooooo accurate.

mines only around 3 levels old...

We all known myddo is not the most accurate tool. However, if a player from a renown farming guild hits my lfm, I'm going to myddo them. That at least gives me a starting point. I'd generally take them anyways just to try and help them out, show them what they can do, explain to them some things they might want to look at.

[werk]

Did you know that in the bottom it gives a timestamp of the last update? Its this really crazy thing that lets you figure out if the information is current or not. Wierd, I know. Whoda'thunkit!

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Data Last Updated: 08/29/2010 3:48 pm

[Solmage]

1. Algebra: If the player is doing epics, he got to 20. And no matter WHAT you tell me, there is no way to get to 20 piking.

Ever since they removed the death penalty, there is.

- I have met level 16 clerics who COULD NOT CAST and HAD NOT CAST a SINGLE SPELL, and whom I had to instruct to wear !(#$&&! wisdom item to cast spells and not be a durn leech.

- I have bailed out level 14s out of VON3 with my level 10 wizard who kept dying over and over. (they begged on the lfm) In the old days, they'd have a full level worth of exp penalty and would never have even made it to 14.

- I have run with clerics whom I've had to keep alive with my heal scrolls just to avoid the 10% exp penalty, while also healing the rest of the party, while also killing/trying to aggro everything so it didn't damage them, and crowd controlling. Fun times. How their mana bar disappeared in the first 60 seconds of the quest is anyone's guess but I'll go with maximized empowered cure light wounds.

- And I have met level 20 one shot 250 no fort melees, who, on average, die 10 times a quest (if they get res'd 10 times - I'll admit I even started resurrecting them without healing them just to punish their repair bill, until they stopped accepting the res)

You don't want to believe it no matter what everyone says? Fine, but if you stick to that you're being as obtuse as the noob who won't listen and think 250 hitpoints is a-ok and fort is for fighters.