To the Shroud leader yesterday morning, my sincere admiration!

[brian14]

I did not take note of the leader's name in yesterday's Shroud. Which is unfortunate, as he deserves accolades. Hope you read this post and respond, so I know who you are!

I was playing my AA 16, Soondar. LFM was for level 17-20, but I sent a tell anyway hoping to get in.

Raid leader: "What weapon do you have?"

I link to my Tier II lightning GS longbow, Paralyzer of Maiming, some greater bane bow, and add "and a bunch of other specialized bows, like any AA."

Raid leader: "Sorry, no. You don't have a good harry beater."

Oh well. Not the first time. I get busy on AH, set up an LFM for Coal Chamber, then suddenly get a tell:

Raid leader: "Please excuse my noobishness -- my teammates tell me your bow is actually quite good. Do you still want in?"

Sure I do! And yes, on Harry and other big devils I use my Tier II greensteel with Deneith silver arrows. The quiver has silver arrows on top, then Anarchic arrows in case I run out.

This was my fourth Shroud completion, and first one with ZERO deaths. The leader kept directing over voice chat, very effectively. And most impressively, he did not just assume he knows what is and is not a "good harry beater", but took time to tell his teammates and ask for their opinion. Wish there were more raid leaders like him!

One thing I am still not clear on Shroud -- how do you "carry water" in Part 3? I have no problem with puzzles, but still do not know what to do after that.

[Phidius]

...One thing I am still not clear on Shroud -- how do you "carry water" in Part 3? I have no problem with puzzles, but still do not know what to do after that.

Click on the head in the middle room (above where the 2 optional chests are) to get the water, run to a room (that has the puzzle solved) and click on the head there.

[Sarisa]

One thing I am still not clear on Shroud -- how do you "carry water" in Part 3? I have no problem with puzzles, but still do not know what to do after that.

When you solve your puzzle and head to the fountain in the middle, click (or 'Q' and 'E') the head of the fountain to get a vial of lunar water. Take it to dry fountain in a puzzle room and click the fountain head. Be sure the puzzle is solved before putting the water in, or you can lock the group out of the two underwater chests.

[MeToo]

Usually when they ask like that, they're only concerned with Arraetrikos's 15 DR that requires both silver AND good to bypass. Assuming you put Holy on tier 1 or Goodburst on tier 2, just link that bow along with the silver arrows to show them you have the tools and knowledge to be effective during part 4/5.

[The_Deceiver]

If he asked me to link my weapon ill just send him a tell w/ this : t(^_^t)

[hockeyrama]

the truth is the dr breaker for harry is one of the most misunderstood things but newer players in the game. Silver weps will break one of his dr but he has 2 and the leader should have knowsn that. He needs silver (metalline) and he needs pure good (holy). On normal those have seperate Dr of 15 each. So if you break one you get 15 off your first damage number. Now for some characters and weps that is not important for example a barbarian wielding a greataxe lit2 setup properly will often out dps a barbarian using a metalline of pure good greatsword on normal. As he will not break the dr but will do soo much extra damage that the dr is minimal in comparison. SOme rogues run into similar issues. A rogue using a +1 met pure good wep where he has trouble hitting would do better with any +5 wep as he would get way more damage with his sneak attack then the loss of damage on all hte misses from his +1 wep (given he does not have divine power clickies or other better gear to help hit like other newer players).

This is only relevant on normal. Once you go past normal the DR jumps up alot and at that point then you run into an issue where you will see yourself doing no damage on hard or elite if you do not break both dr. So on normal runs you can have some flexibility but not on any higher difficulty.

http://ddowiki.com/page/Arraetrikos
for more information.

[LordPiglet]

I think you're misunderstanding it. (or maybe I'm misreading your post)

He has dr/15 good+silver not dr 15/good and dr 15/silver.

That means you need both good and silver to bypass his DR. You can't bypass one or the other, you have to bypass both components to bypass the dr.

[Sarisa]

However, a bow with Good aligned damage and Silver arrows (House D favour) will break DR/Good+Silver.

[YogoSkidz]

He has dr/15 good+silver not dr 15/good and dr 15/silver.

That means you need both good and silver to bypass his DR. You can't bypass one or the other, you have to bypass both components to bypass the dr.

IS the same thing. If you do by pass the good dr but not the silver the DR/silver applies. so you still need to have both.

[Lewcipher]

however, A Bow With Good Aligned Damage And Silver Arrows (house D Favour) Will Break Dr/good+silver.

Bingo!

[brian14]

However, a bow with Good aligned damage and Silver arrows (House D favour) will break DR/Good+Silver.

Which is what I was doing.

[pHo3nix]

This was my fourth Shroud completion, and first one with ZERO deaths.

Probably i'm noob, but i've never completed a shroud with 0 deaths. Could you explain me the trick?

[wax_on_wax_off]

I think you're misunderstanding it. (or maybe I'm misreading your post)

He has dr/15 good+silver not dr 15/good and dr 15/silver.

That means you need both good and silver to bypass his DR. You can't bypass one or the other, you have to bypass both components to bypass the dr.

If you looked on Harry's character sheet it would list DR 15/silver and DR 15/good separately. The way DR works is that if you have multiple types the best one is used unless it is bypassed in which case you work down the list until you find a DR that isn't bypassed.

[kamimitsu]

Probably i'm noob, but i've never completed a shroud with 0 deaths. Could you explain me the trick?

You have to get a Shroud virgin to jump and hit the very center of the portal into part 5. Duh!