If I were to get an effective intimidate skill, what would be required for a Helf FvS to tank a raid? How many HP would be mandatory? I think it would be pretty much impossible to get a decent AC. Would a 20 blocking DR be enough? I obviously know nothing about tanking so I need the numbers. Thanks in advance...
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02-03-2011, 02:00 AM #1Community Member
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Intimi-soul?
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Depends on your focus.
Do you want enough intim to pull raid trash? Not too hard to do, won't need to sacrifice too much, might even be able to stay pure FvS.
Enough to pull raid bosses? Hard but not totally impossible, you'll be splashing into a different class for extra intim ranks, so say goodbye to your capstone and DR.
Enough for epic? Doubtful it's possible without crippling your character in other areas.Moved to Guild Wars 2
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Well I'm more thinking Tanking Harry/Sully and other similar demons. Could also do trash if needed. I think I could hit the intimidate marks sorta easy. Thinkin 18FvS/2Rogue. Here is the problem...Low hp(≈450) and ZERO armor class. Plus my DR would be...less than desirable unless I figure out something better...
Originally Posted by Ashbinder
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Fighter would be the obvious choice for the free feats and Tower Shield proficiency. The best DR shield in game currently is the Levik's.
Let's break your intimidate down.
23 - ranks
15 - item
5 - greensteel cha sp item
4 - Improved intimidate IV
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5 - Human Versatility IV
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So before adding your Cha modifier you could do VoD normal. It's possible, I'd take Paladin dilly for bonus to saves as well.Moved to Guild Wars 2
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Yeah the pally Dil is a given choice. And my chr mod would be 7/8 so I can hit mid 60's with GH. What about ac. Is it even important when you can self-heal like a beast? O and by the way, last time I checked lorikk's has the same DR rating but is a large shield. How much DR is required in raid scenarios? Originally Posted by Ashbinder
I could easily hit mid 30's self buffed in saves...40's with GH.Last edited by CrankVulcan; 02-03-2011 at 03:18 AM.
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Human 2pal18fvs is a great intimitank/healer in my eyes, high saves due to high charisma, lots of sp, high intim rank, human intim dragonmark, extra feat for bullheaded n stuff.
8 feats.
Dragonmark of Sentinel
Bullheaded
SF:Intim
Quicken
Toughness
Empower Heal
Extend
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So you got high umdCode:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.8.0 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male (2 Paladin \ 18 Favored Soul) Hit Points: 376 Spell Points: 1860 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 30 Reflex: 21 Will: 22 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 8 8 Dexterity 8 8 Constitution 16 20 Intelligence 14 16 Wisdom 8 8 Charisma 18 30 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 +3 Tome of Constitution used at level 20 +3 Tome of Charisma used at level 20 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 1 10 Bluff 4 10 Concentration 7 28 Diplomacy 4 10 Disable Device n/a n/a Haggle 4 10 Heal -1 -1 Hide -1 -1 Intimidate 8 42 Jump -1 -1 Listen -1 -1 Move Silently -1 -1 Open Lock n/a n/a Perform n/a n/a Repair 2 3 Search 2 3 Spot -1 -1 Swim -1 -1 Tumble 1 9 Use Magic Device 6 24 Level 1 (Paladin) Skill: Balance (+2) Skill: Concentration (+4) Skill: Intimidate (+4) Skill: Tumble (+2) Skill: Use Magic Device (+2) Feat: (Selected) Bullheaded Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness Level 2 (Favored Soul) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Feat: (Diety) Favored by the Sovereign Host Level 3 (Favored Soul) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell Level 4 (Favored Soul) Ability Raise: CHA Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Level 5 (Favored Soul) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Level 6 (Favored Soul) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Fire Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Intimidate Level 7 (Favored Soul) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Level 8 (Favored Soul) Ability Raise: CHA Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Tumble (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Level 9 (Favored Soul) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Tumble (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Feat: (Selected) Least Dragonmark of Sentinel Level 10 (Paladin) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Level 11 (Favored Soul) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Tumble (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Level 12 (Favored Soul) Ability Raise: CHA Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Tumble (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Cold Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell Level 13 (Favored Soul) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Tumble (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Level 14 (Favored Soul) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Tumble (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Level 15 (Favored Soul) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Tumble (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell Level 16 (Favored Soul) Ability Raise: CHA Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Tumble (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Level 17 (Favored Soul) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Tumble (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Acid Level 18 (Favored Soul) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Tumble (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device Level 19 (Favored Soul) Skill: Balance (+0.5) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Tumble (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Level 20 (Favored Soul) Ability Raise: CHA Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Tumble (+1.5) Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution I Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Charisma I Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery III Enhancement: Deneith Intimidation I Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Racial Toughness III Enhancement: Improved Intimidate I Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Life I Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Life II Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Life III Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic I Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic II Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic III Enhancement: 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high sp
high intim skill
high hp (~550, bit low for a Horoth tank though)
high saves.
Basicly, you could keep yourself up while intimitanking with quickened Heals.
You also got the UMD for teleport and fire shield scrolls.
Intim rank:
42 (Builder)
+6 Shroud
+15 Item
+3 Charisma item
+4 GH
+2 Luck
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=72 Without really trying.
+2 Charisma (+3Exc+7item)
+5 Epic Gloves of Claw
+2 Bard song
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=81 Intim - Enough for anything in the game.
UMD:
24 (Builder)
+6 Shroud
+5 Item
+4 GH
+3 Charisma Item
+2 Luck
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=39 UMD - More with Exc Cha etc.Last edited by Teharahma; 02-03-2011 at 03:29 AM.
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02-03-2011, 03:30 AM #7Community Member
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Seems awesome BUT...no evasion. I MUST have evasion...just must. Originally Posted by Teharahma
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8 str, I take it you aren't planning to do any melee damage then? Originally Posted by Teharahma
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I can give you some answers from the Cleric perspective, although I'm still toying with the build, gear and goals.
Currently, I'm working off of the Radiant Servant Aura as a form of "ticking" DR. The character below (Saraphima) has 2 ranks in Human Recovery, Healing Amp 20% on Levik's Bracers, and Full ranks in Life Magic and the crit chance/multiplier lines.
Currently blocking with a Madstone Shield and grinding for the eventual Levik's.
She's got Earthem Guard on her DT armor, which helps a ton, as well as 2 Shroud Displacement Clickies.
Here's her current high for self-buffed Intim., which is full ranks, 16 Base CHA (also for Divine Might), GH, HoGF, +15 Intim item, and +5 CHA skills item. Could go higher with Coin Lord favour, etc.
I've been messing around in various situations to see what works and what doesn't. She intims Orthons great in VoD, and I took the shot below of her "intimitanking" a red named in EVoN1- you can see she caught him no-fail on a 1, although she's missing 20HP from Death Pact. My guildies are great in letting me test **** out, but I Death Pacted anyways, lol.
The most damage she's taken so far has been from Sannyasi, that scorp at the end of Monastery. He hits like a truck, even on Normal. Didn't need to kite him around the room, though, and it made it super easy, smooth and fast to do the puzzle.
From what I've tested so far, I wouldn't go below 450HP. Saraphima still needs to cleanse a Shroud item and get +2 exceptional CON on her ToD ring- she currently sits at 448. All told, with a +45HP item, +2 Exceptional CON, Rage and a Yugo Pot, she'll be at 573.
The problem that you need to consider is that Intim can go wonky. What if you need to heal just at the moment you need to hit that intim button? What if you're depending on blocking DR and you need to heal? Going through that casting animation breaks your blocking. What about the guy in that pug with Incite on his DT and an ESoS? Lots of things to consider.~ Pallai, Chennai, Saraphima~
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I've thought about this too actually. A few constraints. If you do it, stay pure. The only class based ability which synergises with the objective of intimitanking is the what a FvS gets at level 20. +2 charisma, +2 intimidate skill, 10 DR. Originally Posted by CrankVulcan
I just got this on my WF FvS and with a madstone shield and adamantine body i have 38 blocking DR, 15 otherwise. This would jump up by a fair few points if I pull a Lorrik's.
I definitely approve of half-elf as your race choice, double intimidate will bring a lot to an intimidate build. Just expect to grind an absolute crapload if you want to intimitank the harder raids. I'd suggest not to worry too much, start with a decent charisma score (14+), put max ranks into intimidate (11) and look out for intimidate gear. Add up your feats, is there any flexibility for +intimidate feats such as skill focus: intimidate or bullheaded? Is there room for (improved) shield mastery?
To tank a good variety of content you either want evasion or ~600+ HP, preferably both.
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I just don't see how it's possible to get so many **** hp... In all my plans I have a hard time getting 500. Can you break down how I could get that many in a build like this? I would sure appreciate it. Originally Posted by wax_on_wax_off
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I have 60 intim on my soul, she s pure DC caster.
697 hp buffed hp
This with a starting cha of 13.
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Let us see. Originally Posted by CrankVulcan
160 base fvs hP
200 from 16 base con + 7 item + 3 exc +3 tome +1 human
90 toughness + enhancements
60 sfl+toughness item
45 GS hp item
20 rage
40 yugo
=615
So it is possible but not really practical and requiring some pretty ideal gear but that is the hp that you need to tank some raids ( ToD for instance where you can get hit for a ~500'damage disintegrate).
I do strongly suggest that is you going to do this that you stay pure. The natural DR that you get at level 20'turns any fvs into a decent tank and you get a decent boost intimidat as well.
If I wanted to splash it would be to AC tank some content (orthons for instance) with a monk splash where the extra feats could be worthwhile. 2 monk and 1-2 fighter or 1-2 paladin could do that.
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I have already created a 32-pt version of the mentioned 18fvs/2rog build (Boci of Cannith):
Hp will be around 680 with GS +45 and yugo pot.Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.11.02 DDO Character Planner Home Page Boci Level 20 True Neutral Half-Elf Female (2 Rogue \ 18 Favored Soul) Hit Points: 428 Spell Points: 1671 BAB: 14\14\19\24 Fortitude: 21 Reflex: 16 Will: 15 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 8 8 Dexterity 8 10 Constitution 18 26 Intelligence 16 18 Wisdom 8 8 Charisma 14 17 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 1 12 Bluff 2 3 Concentration 8 31 Diplomacy 2 3 Disable Device n/a n/a Haggle 2 3 Heal -1 -1 Hide -1 0 Intimidate 4 30 Jump -1 7 Listen -1 -1 Move Silently -1 0 Open Lock n/a n/a Perform n/a n/a Repair 3 4 Search 3 4 Spot -1 -1 Swim -1 -1 Tumble n/a n/a Use Magic Device 4 26 Level 1 (Favored Soul) Feat: (Deity) Favored by the Sovereign Host Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Paladin Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 2 (Rogue) Level 3 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell Level 4 (Favored Soul) Level 5 (Favored Soul) Level 6 (Favored Soul) Feat: (Selected) Shield Mastery Level 7 (Favored Soul) Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Fire Level 8 (Favored Soul) Level 9 (Favored Soul) Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell Level 10 (Favored Soul) Level 11 (Favored Soul) Level 12 (Favored Soul) Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Electricity Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell Level 13 (Favored Soul) Level 14 (Favored Soul) Level 15 (Favored Soul) Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell Level 16 (Favored Soul) Level 17 (Favored Soul) Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Cold Level 18 (Favored Soul) Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Intimidate Level 19 (Favored Soul) Level 20 (Favored Soul) Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty (Favored Soul) Enhancement: Favored Soul Angel of Vengeance I Enhancement: Favored Soul Angel of Vengeance II Enhancement: Improved Paladin Dilettante I Enhancement: Improved Paladin Dilettante II Enhancement: Improved Paladin Dilettante III Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution I Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Favored Soul Improved Empowering I Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Racial Toughness III Enhancement: Improved Intimidate I Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Smiting I Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Smiting II Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Smiting III Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Smiting I Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Smiting II Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Smiting III Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting I Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting II Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting III Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting IV Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic I Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic II Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic III Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic IV Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion I Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion II Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion III Enhancement: Favored Soul Charisma I Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness I Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness II Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness III Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness IV Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Sp 2500 max.
Buffed Intimidate reaches 70.
Buffed saves: Fort 47, reflex 42 or 47 in evasion mode with +10reflex robe
Original plan was that intimi doubles spell aggro if i am not mistaken. Extra +25% comes from Anathema (almost waste of a ring slot i know), and maybe 10% more from purple dragon knight set? (interferes with torc tho). Capstone DR is missing but i can wear epic ringleader for 5/- DR if necessary (Horoth). This removes evasion but Horoth tanking doesnt require that anyway. Neither does LoB i hope.
However, since dots cannot be kept up for long - no torc yet to have that infinite sp - the dps on the boss must be around maximum to kill it asap. And here comes the problem: lv3 dot + archon pewpew (superior clicky) together dont seem to be enough DPS even with intimidate to keep the bbeg on me.
First test was on eDA end boss ---> barb and rog waited until i had dot on lv3, then they attacked... and turned him in about... 40-50 secs? Meh. Idk much about Turigulon's fortification or other vulnerabilities but top dps classes seemed to cause more threat than i did.
Also, I dont wanna try to tank longer raids without torc providing enough sp for more than 5 mins of dotting.
I have heard about fvs shield tanks keeping bosses on them and i still wonder how they keep the boss... prolly even without intimidate? How much time to generate enough aggro?
What did i miss in this conception? :SLast edited by RAFAR; 01-18-2012 at 02:21 PM.
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I'm asking this because I wanna learn about FVS:
If you put no ability points in to strength then you won't have any melee capability.
If you put no ability points in to wisdome then you won't have any casting capability, since that is the DC modifier for FVS.
So what will you be good at, other than being a healbot?
I know that you can probably draw enough aggro from divine punishment, that doesn't have a save, and tank well, and have good UMD, but other than that, what good will you be for?
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Exactly. Pure fvs chars usually max out wisdom cos they get bored of healing and they want to be able to do something more. Originally Posted by Such755
I wanna be able to tank - besides healing, ofc not both at the same time.
As healbot i have less sp, no cap dr and free clw but high hp and evasion in exchange. A bit more survivability as healer.Last edited by RAFAR; 01-18-2012 at 02:21 PM.
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