New DPS chart

[Therigar]

Madstone rage = full BAB.

The 100% fort is just for a point of reference.

Abbot. Most people don't worry about getting a group for DPS is there, but it is very nice to drop skeletor quickly.

TY for both replies. I forget about Madstone, probably because I've yet to pull a pair on Orien for any character.

So, apart from Abbot this makes it clear that properly equipped a L20 rogue is best DPS at present time in DDO. Is that what I'm reading?

[stoolcannon]

I can't download the calc until I get home . . . but did you put the clawset . . . with it's hate amplification . . . on a rogue?

Yeah that would be bad news unless they are wearing tharne's on DT but even then it would be challenging to not take aggro with even hate generation.

[grodon9999]

So, apart from Abbot this makes it clear that properly equipped a L20 rogue is best DPS at present time in DDO. Is that what I'm reading?

Have been for some time. But there's a lot of stuff a rogue can't do.

[grodon9999]

Yeah that would be bad news unless they are wearing tharne's on DT but even then it would be challenging to not take aggro with even hate generation.

I'm sorry, any smart rogue should be aiming for at least 40% threat reduction. if they pull aggro they go splat.

Tharnes set FTW.

[eonfreon]

Paladin's are very limited in how long they can put out that much DPS. I run a pali and I have 11 smites (could be higher but I am monk2/self healing) so that's roughly 23,000 damage over 40 seconds against held mobs with dual heavy picks. Very situational. In any event if you are non stop smiting you can expect about 1 minute of absolute max DPS followed by a gigantic reduction in DPS with 1 new smite every 90 seconds.

Yes, Smites generate the highest burst damage for Paladins. But the consistent damage output comes from Divine Sacrifice. Very little is resistant to the light damage. Since it only costs 5 hp and 1 sp, it's pretty much unlimited from any Paladin with a ConOpp item.

When I have a chance I'll download the calculator. Would like to see if all is accounted for like Divine Might, Divine Favor, Divine Sacrifice, Exalted Smites, Zeal, etc.

[Aaxeyu]

I can't download the calc until I get home . . . but did you put the clawset . . . with it's hate amplification . . . on a rogue?

Yea, everyone got the same items. Changing gloves to Charged Gauntlets wont reduce the DPS by that much anyways.

[Therigar]

Dude everyone knows that Necropolis and Delara's is end game.

LOL.

Sure, there are 100% fort mobs but their HP is so low that it really doesn't matter much. I certainly wouldn't advocate a particular build just to deal with them.

The Abbot is the better example. I forgot that there are a couple of quests where the end boss is undead. Well, I guess you'd count Icy runs as a quest of sorts....

The real telling piece I guess would be where a player camps out at L20. Since there are so many more places where 100% fort wouldn't be the case I'd be guessing that building for that specific condition would be lowest on the list of priorities.

IMO the focus would be first on 50% fort bosses and then on 0% fort bosses as these represent the absolute majority of content both in leveling up and at end game.

Again, interesting charts and calculations.

[LeLoric]

I'm sorry, any smart rogue should be aiming for at least 40% threat reduction. if they pull aggro they go splat.

Tharnes set FTW.

Even 20% would put a rogue below many of the builds listed here. So you could do claw set and then 40% subtle for a net of -20% threat.

646.75*.8=517.4

Plus if comparing these other builds probably have no threat reduction meaning all their numbers go up 20%.

[Therigar]

Have been for some time. But there's a lot of stuff a rogue can't do.

I think this is a false statement. Then again, you've given me hassles over rogue DPS before. Please substantiate your claim.

[Consumer]

edit till calc is fixed.

[Aaxeyu]

Yes, Smites generate the highest burst damage for Paladins. But the consistent damage output comes from Divine Sacrifice. Very little is resistant to the light damage. Since it only costs 5 hp and 1 sp, it's pretty much unlimited from any Paladin with a ConOpp item.

When I have a chance I'll download the calculator. Would like to see if all is accounted for like Divine Might, Divine Favor, Divine Sacrifice, Exalted Smites, Zeal, etc.

Those are all accounted for. Smite regeneration over time is also accounted for.
Divine sacrifice is counted as used every 3 seconds here, but can be easily be changed.

[grodon9999]

I think this is a false statement. Then again, you've given me hassles over rogue DPS before. Please substantiate your claim.

I remember you now and I remember that you don't have a clue as to how anything works in this game.

[jakeelala]

what the H is a consumer?

[grodon9999]

maxed for trash

TWF using lit II now and higher DPS gear set used for everyone (Rogue is using Spectrals and Tharne's bracers).

Guild shrines used.

Inspire recklessness included.

50% and 100% not included due to elemental resistances (pit fiends eat lightning and not fire) and DR (portals, undead and stuff). Would need to change each builds gear to suit the situation therefore changing every other situation as well.

You including red-scale in this?

Fighter 12/rogue 7/Whatever 1 is looking pretty good . . .

[Xyfiel]

Curious about a 12Ranger/6barb/2rogue HO.

Vs Blitz
Gain 20% off hand increase, rams, and +9 FE(only 3 though)
Lose 15% off haste boost, weapon spec, kensai, and power surge.

Figure it is decent enough to be included. Probably around 5% but gains manyshot/IPS ability and isn't reliant on kensai weapon type.

[Consumer]

You including red-scale in this?

Fighter 12/rogue 7/Whatever 1 is looking pretty good . . .

Yeah, didn't include the 50% because of it.

[SEMPER]

Nah because I'm almost always at the top of the kills list and almost never die these days so I don't need no stinking spreadsheet to tell me who's kicking arse.

Just ran epic OOB with Kyorli this morning and he outkilled me 50-49 but I was afk for a few mins so I lost some time . I was also the only person who didn't die. In the meantime I rezzed people, took aggro, lowered the bridge myself, then collected soul stones before nabbing the final kill on the boss.

Just don't ask me about my drow wizard.

who pays attention to kill counts ?? they don't mean anything besides you got the last hit on the mob , but kudos to you for kicking arse and not dying its always good to be versatile in this game , but honestly whats up with the drow wizzard inquiring minds want to know now

[Renvar]

Where do you get the 70-75% from?

You forgot that the rogue have opportunist for -10% fort and 3% double strike.

The FS got DF and full bab (so one could say it has DP aswell).

My number is not exact. I have a melee spec FvS and I have a Blitz and a 20 Fighter TWF Khopesh wielder. Running the same quests, attacking the same targets (portal in the vale, training dummy, etc.) thats what I see, roughly.

The number just looks low. Not horribly low, just a bit off. Since I didn't see any documentation on the assumptions related to spells, I asked.

I was also not aware you were giving the rogue an opportunist feat.

I think FvS is hard to evaluate, though, with just Khopesh. A WF Blades FvS with eSoS would be interesting to see.

I also am curious, why does the THF fighter twitching get more dps against no fort mobs than the THF fighter not twitching, but the THF barb twitching gets less DPS in that situation than the THF barb not twitching?

Seems twitching would affect both fighter and barb more closely than that. (once again, purely by observation and thinking of the enhancements, PRe's and game mechanics). What's the reasoning there?

[grodon9999]

Curious about a 12Ranger/6barb/2rogue HO.

Vs Blitz
Gain 20% off hand increase, rams, and +9 FE(only 3 though)
Lose 15% off haste boost, weapon spec, kensai, and power surge.

Figure it is decent enough to be included. Probably around 5% but gains manyshot/IPS ability and isn't reliant on kensai weapon type.

Download the calc (and open office) and plug in the numbers.

Ranger 12 splashes work our great with anything that adds damage per swing. Ranger 12/rogue 7/whatever 1 is a great setup.

[Kinerd]

It shows the difference of all the DPS builds to be so close I don't know why we bother arguing with each other

Because [insert person] is right and [insert dissenting person] is wrong!!!

As for the pure FvS numbers, I'm pretty confident that they're right and if anything they're a little high. No DPS prestige, no Haste Boost, and no inherent sneak attack makes Jack a dull... er, makes pure FvS low DPS.