paladin saved out butts in tod today

[NaturalHazard]

to the pally who was left all by himself (the wiz was kitting) vs nymiodes or whatever his name is in part 2 of tod thank you for saving our butts, was pretty impressive.

I heard someone got screenshots?

[doubledge]

here you go.

[NaturalHazard]

here you go.

yay i feel so cool to see my charactors name in a screen shot even if he is dead :P

[doubledge]

good for you too!

[Tuney]

Wait a min... Is this the Khyber section?!

[Mithran]

Nice work, Ferrum.

[sephiroth1084]

/flex




Thanks.

[andbr22]

Oh you soo gave heatache to everyone else there...
I am wondering how many people wanted just to drop group.

And this is reason why being madstoned (or in other form of rage) is not always the best idea.

[Hordo]

Loreseekers FTW

[sephiroth1084]

Oh you soo gave heatache to everyone else there...
I am wondering how many people wanted just to drop group.

And this is reason why being madstoned (or in other form of rage) is not always the best idea.

I think I heard someone say something like, "That's a wipe," and then noticed that there were two people still up.

I agree on the madstone comment, kind of. On some characters not being madstoned is silly. On a paladin, though, I find the boots to be a rather poor idea: the clicky doesn't last long enough to be just using that without the on-hit proc, but it interferes with paladin buffs, and +3 att/dam and 10% doublestrike > +1 att/dam & 40 HP//+2 att/damage & 80 HP in many situations. One you add healing to the mix, there's really no way to justify using Madstone Boots to my mind.

[sephiroth1084]

Loreseekers FTW

I dunno about that, Hordo. Merry was dead.

[DakotanSky]

So as mentioned in the other thread, did everyone really get Horoth down to 1% then suicided themselves on Shadows just to get a rise out of Axer?

[sephiroth1084]

So as mentioned in the other thread, did everyone really get Horoth down to 1% then suicided themselves on Shadows just to get a rise out of Axer?

No.

It was Nythirios.

[eonfreon]

I think I heard someone say something like, "That's a wipe," and then noticed that there were two people still up.

I agree on the madstone comment, kind of. On some characters not being madstoned is silly. On a paladin, though, I find the boots to be a rather poor idea: the clicky doesn't last long enough to be just using that without the on-hit proc, but it interferes with paladin buffs, and +3 att/dam and 10% doublestrike > +1 att/dam & 40 HP//+2 att/damage & 80 HP in many situations. One you add healing to the mix, there's really no way to justify using Madstone Boots to my mind.

Well that really depends. Extended buffs last a slight bit over 3 minutes. The madstone effects last 1.5 minutes. So it's all about watching your buffs and timing. Plus Madstone doesn't interfere with LoH or Divine Might.

So, it really depends. If you don't think you're going to need to use your healing spells (because you're getting mass healed or something) and you're confident you can watch your buffs and take off Madstone Boots when needed, then there's really no reason not to use Madstone.

[DakotanSky]

No.

It was Nythirios.

lol ... now that is awesome group dedication.

[sephiroth1084]

Well that really depends. Extended buffs last a slight bit over 3 minutes. The madstone effects last 1.5 minutes. So it's all about watching your buffs and timing. Plus Madstone doesn't interfere with LoH or Divine Might.

So, it really depends. If you don't think you're going to need to use your healing spells (because you're getting mass healed or something) and you're confident you can watch your buffs and take off Madstone Boots when needed, then there's really no reason not to use Madstone.

That's a degree of micromanaging that I don't think I can deal with on a paladin when I'm already trying to keep track of the durations on Divine Might, Divine Favor, Zeal (no Extend feat), the timer on Divine Sacrifice, and sometimes the duration on Divine Righteousness. And occasionally using the Gloves of Titans Grip, and outside buffs like Recitation.

Add onto that the inability to see anything currently refreshed on my buff bar, and...

Besides, if I'd been Madstoned, we would have wiped. If it were just this, I don't know if it would be a deciding factor for me, as in most cases more DPS is going to solve a bad situation better than being at the ready to do this kind of thing, but this coupled with the above means that I won't even bother trying to acquire Madstone Boots on my paladin. If it's the only thing worth taking on my 20th list, maybe I'll grab a pair, though I don't expect to use them. Maybe hit the clicky just before Horoth drops for a short boost to my DPS when establishing aggro.

[Templarion]

Awesome!

[eonfreon]

That's a degree of micromanaging that I don't think I can deal with on a paladin when I'm already trying to keep track of the durations on Divine Might, Divine Favor, Zeal (no Extend feat), the timer on Divine Sacrifice, and sometimes the duration on Divine Righteousness. And occasionally using the Gloves of Titans Grip, and outside buffs like Recitation.

Add onto that the inability to see anything currently refreshed on my buff bar, and...

Besides, if I'd been Madstoned, we would have wiped. If it were just this, I don't know if it would be a deciding factor for me, as in most cases more DPS is going to solve a bad situation better than being at the ready to do this kind of thing, but this coupled with the above means that I won't even bother trying to acquire Madstone Boots on my paladin. If it's the only thing worth taking on my 20th list, maybe I'll grab a pair, though I don't expect to use them. Maybe hit the clicky just before Horoth drops for a short boost to my DPS when establishing aggro.

To each his own. I understand what you're saying. Indeed for you it does like it would be "silly" to have Madstone on. Especially without Extend, that makes a huge difference.

My Paladin does have Extend. The only timer I watch if Madstoned is Madstone and the spells Zeal and DF. Madstone is a pretty distinct timer.

Divine Sacrifice is every 3 seconds. I just spam the heck out of it and Smites (until it runs out and recharges- if it has time to recharge). That I don't have to watch much. However it's rather easy, for me, to see that Zeal and/or DF have 2 minutes to go and Madstone has 1 minute to go. I know to switch it out so it can't proc.

In your situation you may have wiped. Depends on how long Madstone would have kept interfering with you raising someone to kite. If it was a few seconds you probably could have lasted long enough with your LoH to keep you up until you could use spells/scrolls. If it had a minute or slightly less, then yeah, you probably would have been SoL.

Like I said, it depends. Depends on the quest and Raid as much as anything else. And your build. In your case, not having Extend is a huge factor.

[sephiroth1084]

To each his own. I understand what you're saying. Indeed for you it does like it would be "silly" to have Madstone on. Especially without Extend, that makes a huge difference.

My Paladin does have Extend. The only timer I watch if Madstoned is Madstone and the spells Zeal and DF. Madstone is a pretty distinct timer.

Divine Sacrifice is every 3 seconds. I just spam the heck out of it and Smites (until it runs out and recharges- if it has time to recharge). That I don't have to watch much. However it's rather easy, for me, to see that Zeal and/or DF have 2 minutes to go and Madstone has 1 minute to go. I know to switch it out so it can't proc.

In your situation you may have wiped. Depends on how long Madstone would have kept interfering with you raising someone to kite. If it was a few seconds you probably could have lasted long enough with your LoH to keep you up until you could use spells/scrolls. If it had a minute or slightly less, then yeah, you probably would have been SoL.

Like I said, it depends. Depends on the quest and Raid as much as anything else. And your build. In your case, not having Extend is a huge factor.

If I still had Extend I might give it some more consideration.

The buff bar getting cut off halfway across the screen is also a really huge factor with this sort of stuff. As it is, I tend to over-buff or under-buff due to not being able to see timers. I try to note the duration on some buff I can see when refreshing stuff, and make a note, but oftentimes with everything else going on, I lose where I started for that.

[NaturalHazard]

well i guess it makes sense to madstone on a ranger in that situation? I dont have any short timed self buffs to keep track of. We where getting mass heals, we only died cause somehow the shadow fiends got up there. I wasnt really expecting that with this party.