Dilettante Comparison

[Saravis]

Does anyone know the comparison in what the success chance is in using a resurrection scroll between a fully maxed Cleric Dilettante with 10 charisma total and a fully maxed FvS Dilettante with 12 charisma total?
-thanks

[dkyle]

Assuming you're using the Dile, and not UMD, Charisma doesn't matter at all.

It's a caster level check, which is d20 + (CL * 2) vs a DC, which is the level you would get the spell times 2.

So for Cleric dile with full enhancements, it's d20 + 20 vs DC of 22, or 95% success
So for FvS dile with full enhancements, it's d20 + 20 vs DC of 24, or 85% success

The DC for FvS is higher because FvS gets it's spells later.

[Saravis]

So even with UMD factored in, bonus of 1 umd at %5 with Cleric Dil vs. 2 umd at %10 with FvS Dil, Cleric still has the advantage?

[Phidius]

So even with UMD factored in...

Using a half-elf dilettante doesn't factor in UMD.

[Saravis]

Using a half-elf dilettante doesn't factor in UMD.

At all? So a rogue with Cleric or FvS Dil, would have no use for investing in UMD in regards to using divine scrolls?

[drac317]

So even with UMD factored in, bonus of 1 umd at %5 with Cleric Dil vs. 2 umd at %10 with FvS Dil, Cleric still has the advantage?

its one or the other, if u have the dillie(or a lvl of the class for that matter) it uses a lvl check and does not allow a UMD roll.

[Phidius]

At all? So a rogue with Cleric or FvS Dil, would have no use for investing in UMD in regards to using divine scrolls?

At all - unless you have a plan to get your UMD to 39 (or 38 for a FvS, as a 90% is better than an 85%).

The game uses the better of the two checks (UMD or Caster Level), it doesn't combine them.

[Raoull]

A rogue is probably better off just having a high UMD rather than worrying about cleric/FvS dilly.

For someone without UMD as a class skill, the dillys are probably better. But why bother with a rogue.

If you have the charisma (although not sure why, but you were discussing the FvS dilly) go with paladin for saves. Other than that, human is probably better than half-elf for your purposes.

[Propane]

You could consider the fighter dilettane and use most weapons (if Rogue build).

Stick with max UMD if Rogue- can use lot of stuff stone skin, teleport, GH, summon monster, etc scrolls....

[Saravis]

Hrm, seems I got drunk on dreams of perfect divine scroll casting, oh well, no Cleric or FvS Dil for me.

You could consider the fighter dilettane and use most weapons (if Rogue build).

That makes me wonder, would stunning blow with the bonus 2 DC from Fighter Dil enhancement make stunning blow useful for a rogue? What would be the min strength I would need for it to be effective?