Tharnes drama!

[Wurmheart]

So... I guess they didn't realize Bards can heal too (and sometimes better than some clerics...)

i'd ask for a refund on thou brain, it seems to be defect

I used to have bb on 5, untill I accidentally hit "T" one time too many kiting shadows in ToD.

What bugs me about this game is how others feel the need to specify what others should loot.

An example is levriks shield from hound. My wf fvs was told repeatedly not to get that shield, and I'm sure not one looked to see the 12 different guards my toon wears. Every elite/epic my fvs enters, he wears that shield, how many pure melee can or would say that?

couldn't agree more, many clerics/fsv's use shields non stop, yet when a good shield drops either tanks or wizards get first right for them (***?)


more on topic,
the search and spot is moot, the agro reduction and ts is usefull on almost all
and while i understand the argument against, i dont see a problem with giving it to someone that can use it quite well

[Crann]

Veriden, you did the right thing.

In the end...while there are varying degrees of usefulness for all characters, it is in the rogues hands, or on its head more precisely, that they are the most useful. You got them where they were the most needed, and I respect that.

PM "brah's" name so that I may avoid any future drama such as you experienced please.

[Solmage]

Your loot your choice of course.

But your reasoning - seriously flawed.

Every modestly ccompetent rogue has 15 search and 15 spot gogles - they are easy to get.

Sneak attack helps essentially every melee unless they are intentionally trying to get all the agro.

True Seeing obviously helps everyone.

If you want to give to goggles to a cleric thats cool - they are yours. But your reasoning is deserving of mockery.

Wrong, the rogue would then need to use ANOTHER slot for spot, so that's slot AND item consolidation, and that's without counting the subtle backstabbing.

So, let's see, rogue over regular melee:

- save 2 inventory slots
- save 1 item slot for separate spot item
- threat reduction to compensate overwhelming DPS (specially strength-based rogues)

Flawed reasoning my foot, this is akin to arguing the bracers of the glacier shouldn't go to a durn caster first just because a melee can use the fire shield proc.

[kernal42]

Wrong, the rogue would then need to use ANOTHER slot for spot, so that's slot AND item consolidation, and that's without counting the subtle backstabbing.

So, let's see, rogue over regular melee:

- save 2 inventory slots
- save 1 item slot for separate spot item
- threat reduction to compensate overwhelming DPS (specially strength-based rogues)

Flawed reasoning my foot, this is akin to arguing the bracers of the glacier shouldn't go to a durn caster first just because a melee can use the fire shield proc.

The slot consolidation is irrelevant because of the ability to easily swap items.
If you're trying to search/disable while also backstabbing someone, you're doing it wrong.

Maybe you could argue for total inventory space slot consolidation, but that's hardly important...

-Kernal

[Traver]

I think the op can do what he wants. I also think usefulness boils down to who will use it more in the end. If a rogue and barb never replace them is it not then a tie?

[karl_k0ch]

I strongly disagree to that one.

If it were up to the leader, guildies and friends of the leader (and he himself) would be favored unfairly. Random Puggers would always been left out, even if they pulled the items themselfs.

Never should one person or one group get the right of distributing more of the raid loot than their own share.

I totally agree on the guildies and friends issue - I never wanted to imply that the leader should allow or disallow rolls because of personal benefits.

Anyway, in my opinion there is only one fair and polite thing to do if you get an item you don't want to use: You put it up for roll. You do not blindly pass it to a friend/guildie or loot it for selling at a vendor.

What I wanted to emphasize with my post is that the leader is responsible to make sure that the rolls do make sense: I.e. if a Cleric is rolling for the Madstone Boots while 3 melees are rolling, too, the leader should be the one who decides/advocates that the roll of the cleric should be disregarded.
Also in situations where it is not that much black and white as in the example above, the only one who allows someone to be disregarded on rolls should be the leader - preferably announcing such loot rules before the raid or at least before the rolls.

Some time ago, I created a thread called "Alternative Loot Rules", anything I wrote here should be understood in spirit of these rules.

[Bodic]

your lewt........

My Rogue NEEDED the threat reduction.

I would NEVER put them up for if the ROGUE had need and I didnt.

also I would not give them to a Barb. Their inability to maintain aggro is the reason my rogue needed them in the first place.

[Solmage]

The slot consolidation is irrelevant because of the ability to easily swap items.
If you're trying to search/disable while also backstabbing someone, you're doing it wrong.

Maybe you could argue for total inventory space slot consolidation, but that's hardly important...

-Kernal

I AM arguing for inventory space consolidation, you save 2 spots.

However, I am ALSO arguing you DO need spot while fighting people, so you can yell stop when the randomly positioned trap is just ahead, and to see incoming stealthed enemies. So while the search aspect is irrelevant, the spot isn't.

[CrushingInklings]

Everyone who spent their time to complete a pug raid should have the same chance to roll on loot that is useful to them. If you plan on running raids like this it should be stated up front out of fairness to others that might want said item. To pull this after the raid is complete imo is a **** move.

[thegreatneil]

Everyone who spent their time to complete a pug raid should have the same chance to roll on loot that is useful to them. If you plan on running raids like this it should be stated up front out of fairness to others that might want said item. To pull this after the raid is complete imo is a **** move.

The computer rolls a roll for your loot.

Did you get what you wanted? (it's not like your running raids for exp)

No? (aww sorry try again later)

Someone Kind enough to give away the loot in there name?

Even if they are, it's still not an invitation to go Vulture-ing there loot pulls so you can beg/intimidate/bribe someone of something you should keep your filthy eyes off of anyway.

[DragonRage40X]

Everyone who spent their time to complete a pug raid should have the same chance to roll on loot that is useful to them.

Now, I'm not from around here and I wasn't part of this raid and I don't know half of what went on from just the image in the first post, but...

And for those who want a screen shot of the mini drama all because I simply passed my tharnes to a guy I didn't know, for the soul reason of his class with out putting it up for roll.

Seems like everyone got the same chance to roll on it, alright.

[Unreliable]

Unless your group somehow verbally agreed to a different loot system before the raid, then YLYC.

Anyone who thinks that loot you pull should be rolled on or given to someone else when your not the one who pulled it is wrong.

I have had this happen to me many times before, because i get X in a chest they think that I should only let X roll for them, or i should give them to X and not Y, or yell at me because X got it and they say Y could use it more.

It dosent matter, YLYC. You decide what to do with it. Dont complain about it, and Ignore people who do.