UMD Hate from DEV/WAI?

[The_Phenx]

23 base
04 GH
02 HoGF
06 GS cha skills item
03 cha mod (assuming you started with 8 cha, which you probably wouldn't if you plan on using UMD, ate a +2 tome and have a +6 item)
05 Sever Fingered Gloves
03 Epic Big Top
03 Skill Focus UMD
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49 UMD, no-fail any scroll usage galore and you dont look like a bunny.

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[THAC0]

No, not +15 of course. +3. However, the important difference here is that the Cartouche gives a +3 Competence bonus to UMD, while the hat provides a +3 Enhancement bonus. Bonuses of different types stack in DDO.

So equipping both (or wearing the Big Top with the Bunny Hat "over") gives +6 to UMD. And the Seven Fingered Gloves (+5 Competence) and the hat would give +8.

Ahhhh. That bit of info didn't click in my head. So thanks!

[bryanmeerkat]

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Why would you not want to look like a bunny ?

[sparty55]

UMD is one of the best things in the game. And turbine HATES it. Maybe an extension of their general dislike for casters.


All those scrolls that should be for sale. Are not.

All the UMD items we DO have are the same buff so they don't stack.

Hell even our ship buff +1 to skills wont stack with vom or hogf either making it completely useless for 99% of the players.



At this point we're lucky umd works at all really.

I disagree - Turbine balances it, they don't hate it. It's fine the way it is. This game is easy enough - they don't need to make it any easier.

[Chai]

UMD is out of whack not because the skill itself is too high, but the biggest design flaw of DDO, commodity magic purchase.

Commodity magic purchase is part of D&D and has been since the mid 70s. Run a "low magic campaign" in PnP, dont alter any of the mobs ailities whatsoever, and see how long a balanced group can survive. Its definately fun, right up to and until you roll up an encounter that you need some specific item(s) to beat. This usually happens sooner than later. The game design is balanced for this.

[yawumpus]

The "secret" effect ("nothing up my sleeve") does not stack with the Cartouche, but gives most of the effect without having a ML.

If you have /showhelmet off and use the hat, you will still look like a bunny. There is a means to have the effect without looking like a bunny (I think it is /showhelmet on; use hat;/showhelmet off), but it takes some testing to get it to work (and you have to logout each time to test it).

/was disappointed about non-stacking (the hopping part stacks with everything). Couldn't complain about after getting the TP5 sale, though.

[Drallac]

Think UMD is fine how it is, its something which makes bards really useful, atm i can push 60-64 UMD on my bard, possibly more if theres a feat (dont think there is)

UMD is one of those things that everyone wants but not everyone should have. Otherwise it makes all parties too uber, if everyone can raise and heal to a high level then clerics become another form of caster/buffer, if everyone can cast self buffs from scrolls and wands then even buffing isnt needed.

[Faent]

All the UMD items we DO have are the same buff so they don't stack. ... Hell even our ship buff +1 to skills wont stack with vom or hogf either making it completely useless for 99% of the players. At this point we're lucky umd works at all really.

Really? After I posted a breakdown of someone who can hit a full 51 UMD as an OFF-CLASS skill with a starting CHA of 10? Ok, so you have no skill boost (you're not a human or a ranger, say). Then you an hit 46. Still no-failing just about everything of value, including Heal scrolls (by a full 7 points!). Don't want Yugo Pots or House D pots? Fine. You're still at 42, and no-failing. Don't have the Epic Big Top? Fine. You're STILL no-failing. It's hardly broken. Go get some gear. Or if you don't want to get gear and ship buffs, do something like splashing ROG for an extra +12. You have plenty of options.

[Riorik]

UMD is out of whack not because the skill itself is too high, but the biggest design flaw of DDO, commodity magic purchase.

That's true.