To the "Awesome" Guy Who Pulled Aggro in EChrono

[noinfo]

The name doesn't sound familiar.

But I'd say, come play with Ferrumrym!

Who?

[sephiroth1084]

Who?

Some guy I grouped with last week. He did a great job tanking in ToD and VoD on hard, but he kept demanding buffs, and someone thought he might be Axer. Then everyone realized that Axer doesn't play paladins or characters with AC...

[Attropos]

Ran a epic chrono the other night our main tank was killed by fire, omg quess what happened next, the boss attacked someone else. We just swicthed who our main tank was healed him, and completed the raid. Raid bosses switching aggro happens all the time. If you can't adapt and overcome you shouldn't be running epic, try casual. After reading the op's post and respnses, sounds like your tank was gimp and failed a intim check, Ulti is uber even if he is doing less than his max dps. He said several times he was not using any hate gear,why are you calling him a liar. Sounds like your healers were overwhelmed and couldn't handle the switch. Don't blame my guildie or call us out because you and your group lacks the skill needed to handle the raid.

Why are people misinterpreting everything I say? We weren't using intim, we were using hate for our tank. Our healers (being me, the other cleric redbarred after about 30 seconds) were being

Raid bosses switch aggro, yes. However, 1 healer (and 1 repairer) can't heal very well if aggro keeps switching. Ultimega grabbed aggro; if, by some slim chance, he hadn't used hate gear and he was really just that **** uber that he can grab aggro from a tank that holds aggro against an Epic MC, ESoS wielding frenzied Barb, he should have been willing and able to tank.

Grabbing aggro intentionally is bad; grabbing aggro multiple times unintentially and then not being able to tank (or refusing to tank) is a sign of a bad player.

Say what you want to say; your guildy grabbed aggro no less than 3 times, either intentionally or unintentionally. He then refused to tank (I'd call that lack of adaption his fault). It means he's incompetent or an ass. If it was intentional, he was an ass and deserves my /squelch. If it was unintentional, then he is a noob who can't control his aggro in a raid thats all about positioning and a gimp who can't tank.

If he had stepped up and tanked when he stole aggro, I'd have been more sympathetic. Ask your guildy what happened when we asked him to tank! Oh that's right he refused.

This is really my first negative experience with your guild; I'm certainly not going to blacklist all of you over the stupidity of one person's actions. Between the stupidity of the action, the lack of reliability during the raid, and his reaction afterwards, I'd say his squelch is very well deserved.

I've already admitted that the wipe was partially our fault; we trusted some random pugger to be a competent healer, which was a big problem. The problem was expounded by the fact that aggro kept switching because apparently his DPS is too "uber" and he refused to tank. Being incompetent is forgivable; being a **** is not, and that's exactly how he acted during the raid, and even in this thread. You can defend yourself, while apologizing for not stepping up. But did he ever acknowledge that he may have been wrong and partially screwed up the raid? Nope.

[Attropos]

Who?

He's some gimped TR'D Paladin on our server

[Mithran]

It's no surprise to veterans that a pug can't keep aggro from Ultimega.

[hityawithastick]

Raistlin is to Wizards what Drizzt is to Rangers.

Including all the 6 Con gimpy knockoffs?

[Stamp3de]

Why are people misinterpreting everything I say? We weren't using intim, we were using hate for our tank. Our healers (being me, the other cleric redbarred after about 30 seconds) were being

Raid bosses switch aggro, yes. However, 1 healer (and 1 repairer) can't heal very well if aggro keeps switching. Ultimega grabbed aggro; if, by some slim chance, he hadn't used hate gear and he was really just that **** uber that he can grab aggro from a tank that holds aggro against an Epic MC, ESoS wielding frenzied Barb, he should have been willing and able to tank.

Grabbing aggro intentionally is bad; grabbing aggro multiple times unintentially and then not being able to tank (or refusing to tank) is a sign of a bad player.

Say what you want to say; your guildy grabbed aggro no less than 3 times, either intentionally or unintentionally. He then refused to tank (I'd call that lack of adaption his fault). It means he's incompetent or an ass. If it was intentional, he was an ass and deserves my /squelch. If it was unintentional, then he is a noob who can't control his aggro in a raid thats all about positioning and a gimp who can't tank.

If he had stepped up and tanked when he stole aggro, I'd have been more sympathetic. Ask your guildy what happened when we asked him to tank! Oh that's right he refused.

This is really my first negative experience with your guild; I'm certainly not going to blacklist all of you over the stupidity of one person's actions. Between the stupidity of the action, the lack of reliability during the raid, and his reaction afterwards, I'd say his squelch is very well deserved.

I've already admitted that the wipe was partially our fault; we trusted some random pugger to be a competent healer, which was a big problem. The problem was expounded by the fact that aggro kept switching because apparently his DPS is too "uber" and he refused to tank. Being incompetent is forgivable; being a **** is not, and that's exactly how he acted during the raid, and even in this thread. You can defend yourself, while apologizing for not stepping up. But did he ever acknowledge that he may have been wrong and partially screwed up the raid? Nope.

I didn't once refuse after taking aggro. Stop lying. The only thing I refused was the notion that I purposely took aggro after ur main tank began yelling into the mic in anger. Who was the one tanking him when ur tank and barb died? Me.
And yes I admitted I was wrong in believing ur designated tank could hold aggro after being given time. And how is the fact that I took aggro more than once after both other tanks died a fault? Would you rather me stand there or range with a longbow like ur main tank was?
And you confirmed that YOUR tank was using hate gen and still lost aggro? Lmao.

[sephiroth1084]

He's some gimped TR'D Paladin on our server

Must be a hundred of those!

[lord_of_rage]

Why are people misinterpreting everything I say? We weren't using intim, we were using hate for our tank. Our healers (being me, the other cleric redbarred after about 30 seconds) were being

Raid bosses switch aggro, yes. However, 1 healer (and 1 repairer) can't heal very well if aggro keeps switching. Ultimega grabbed aggro; if, by some slim chance, he hadn't used hate gear and he was really just that **** uber that he can grab aggro from a tank that holds aggro against an Epic MC, ESoS wielding frenzied Barb, he should have been willing and able to tank.

Grabbing aggro intentionally is bad; grabbing aggro multiple times unintentially and then not being able to tank (or refusing to tank) is a sign of a bad player.

Say what you want to say; your guildy grabbed aggro no less than 3 times, either intentionally or unintentionally. He then refused to tank (I'd call that lack of adaption his fault). It means he's incompetent or an ass. If it was intentional, he was an ass and deserves my /squelch. If it was unintentional, then he is a noob who can't control his aggro in a raid thats all about positioning and a gimp who can't tank.

If he had stepped up and tanked when he stole aggro, I'd have been more sympathetic. Ask your guildy what happened when we asked him to tank! Oh that's right he refused.

This is really my first negative experience with your guild; I'm certainly not going to blacklist all of you over the stupidity of one person's actions. Between the stupidity of the action, the lack of reliability during the raid, and his reaction afterwards, I'd say his squelch is very well deserved.

I've already admitted that the wipe was partially our fault; we trusted some random pugger to be a competent healer, which was a big problem. The problem was expounded by the fact that aggro kept switching because apparently his DPS is too "uber" and he refused to tank. Being incompetent is forgivable; being a **** is not, and that's exactly how he acted during the raid, and even in this thread. You can defend yourself, while apologizing for not stepping up. But did he ever acknowledge that he may have been wrong and partially screwed up the raid? Nope.

Ulti is a very good player. He knows the drill. It sounds like your tank was the issue. So you squelch him. Not everyone in your guild will. But dont sit on your high horse and act like your guild is perfect. Ransack is far from it. Ive had quite a few negative experiences with them. I find the loot practices of certain individuals in your guild to be abysmal. Id say you are only helping the negative image of your guild.

[MeliCat]

Guys there is a bit too much cube food in here now... some subtle edits and keeping the discussion technical might help.

For a lot of people the discussion of aggro and how and why things are done is actually helpful.

What I don't get is "stood there and refused to tank": just to confirm if I accidently get aggro on my WF barb it's common practice for me to get out a shield and block (to mitigate some of the damage I'm getting and making it nicer for the healers - not for any (ha!) AC purpose) - this is so that whoever is *meant* to be tanking can smack the boss a couple of times and get the aggro back. So I would guess that Ulti was doing this and waiting for the main tank to get aggro back (or somethig like it - unlike me he actually has AC - I think...). So your comment sounds odd to my ears.

[NXPlasmid]

Ulti is a very good player. He knows the drill. It sounds like your tank was the issue. So you squelch him. Not everyone in your guild will. But dont sit on your high horse and act like your guild is perfect. Ransack is far from it. Ive had quite a few negative experiences with them. I find the loot practices of certain individuals in your guild to be abysmal. Id say you are only helping the negative image of your guild.

Good player? pulled boss agro 3 times? He must have been afk with auto attack on to have that happen. pulling agro once, totally understandable, twice is annoying, three times is unacceptable. There are plenty of ways to reduce ones DPS output to accomdate such a situation, especially if there is a subpar healer in the group. In my opinion a "good player" would have made sure not to take agro a third time. T

*edit* and personally I wish you would stop trashing Ransack based on one or two instances with a single person from the guild.

[PopeJual]

What I don't get is "stood there and refused to tank": just to confirm if I accidently get aggro on my WF barb it's common practice for me to get out a shield and block (to mitigate some of the damage I'm getting and making it nicer for the healers - not for any (ha!) AC purpose) - this is so that whoever is *meant* to be tanking can smack the boss a couple of times and get the aggro back. So I would guess that Ulti was doing this and waiting for the main tank to get aggro back (or somethig like it - unlike me he actually has AC - I think...). So your comment sounds odd to my ears.

This.

If I get aggro and I'm not the one who is supposed to have aggro, then the first thing that I would do is stop attacking. If I stop attacking, I stop building up more aggro and the main tank can get aggro back. If I keep attacking, then I build up more hate.

Is this somehow a challenging concept?

[NaturalHazard]

Ive had a situation in hard vod where the wf barb tank was getting aggro pulled off him from everyone we switched on the fly and got the wf fighter with 2 tier 3 khopeshes and other gear to switch to the tanking role, the wf barb was not as equiped as everyone else and could not do the job lucky for us we had someone else to do it.

[MeliCat]

Good player? pulled boss agro 3 times? He must have been afk with auto attack on to have that happen. pulling agro once, totally understandable, twice is annoying, three times is unacceptable. There are plenty of ways to reduce ones DPS output to accomdate such a situation, especially if there is a subpar healer in the group. In my opinion a "good player" would have made sure not to take agro a third time. T

*edit* and personally I wish you would stop trashing Ransack based on one or two instances with a single person from the guild.

well they made commets about tfc so same deal. everyone knows that Ransack is one of the top raiding guilds on Khyber.

as Ulti commented he *tried* to take his DPS right down - but he still got aggro (and only 2x from what i'm reading not 3). the next step would have been to not hit at all. at which point it all becomes a little pointless surely? you really do have to ask about tank choice at that point. i muck around with Ulti a lot shortmanning whatever and he's a fair easygoing guy. i am really really surprised that someone could get so upset with him to blacklist him. to my mind that says more about the OP than Ulti. and from some of the excellent people i have played with in Ransack i am again quite surprised by the OP.

[Yajerman01]

In my opinion a "good player" would have made sure not to take agro a third time.

QFT. I think the point to all this is group management.

If you signed up to fight along others in a group then you should play as a group. If you managed to pull aggro off purportedly 3 times and were purportedly offered to tank by the leader, then the leader has obviously made an adjustement to cater to your abilities over others.

That in of itself should be an honor and that should also place the burden on you to lead in tanking. That means resources are now focused around you. It is negligeable on your part if you opt out of that roll because contrary to your beleif or reasoning for not tanking, your acts are disurpting the gameplan as a whole. (whether intentional or not)

While I no longer reside on Khyber, I do recall Ultimega's abilities to be well above normal. But from what I have gathered from this post, it sounds as though that the best intentions and/or logic were lacking on either side.

The ultimate goal in a raid is completion. Slowing your DPS down after realizing the 1st and 2nd tank were potentially subpar would have been the logical choice, that or opting to tank.

[Yajerman01]

the next step would have been to not hit at all. at which point it all

He could have easily run in and out of the pile to slow it down all-the-while continuing to contribute. Its not all that hard to figure out.

It sounds like the whole PUG just went bad anyway.

[stainer]

There are people I like in both these guilds. I swear if this busts out into some kinda Hatfield and McCoy drama I will squelch all of you. Although the drama generated would be glorious.

[Yajerman01]

There are people I like in both these guilds. I swear if this busts out into some kinda Hatfield and McCoy drama I will squelch all of you. Although the drama generated would be glorious.

i remember two guilds that used to always go at it, hows the drama over in khyberland?

[stainer]

i remember two guilds that used to always go at it, hows the drama over in khyberland?

This is the best we have had in several months. I would enjoy it if it wasn't such good guilds whining like noobs on korthos. I guess it could only get better if someone from Prophets started a thread about how they were going to squelch someone from Elite Raiders.

[MeliCat]

This is the best we have had in several months. I would enjoy it if it wasn't such good guilds whining like noobs on korthos. I guess it could only get better if someone from Prophets started a thread about how they were going to squelch someone from Elite Raiders.

Lol. Squelch me Stainer! Squelch me do!

Sadly I hardly ever cross paths with you so we would have to try SUPER hard to get any true value out of this...