To the "Awesome" Guy Who Pulled Aggro in EChrono

[Attropos]

Way to go dude. Way to be a badass. You managed to pull aggro from our designated tank by turning on all your hate amplification and wearing your EClaw set.

But it doesn't help that when you pulled aggro, you just stood there and died; oh yea, and we asked if you wanted to tank when you pulled it a second time, and you just stood there. But wait, smiting isn't sustained DPS is it!? If you want to tank, speak up. I have never seen someone pull aggro away from our designated tank unless they were specifically trying, and we have plenty of ESoS weilders. If you want to tank, and we OFFER you the position, take it. But don't stand there and die in the fire. If I had my way, I wouldn't have raised you; screw your ESoS DPS; had you not been screwing around with our main tanks aggro, the fact that one of our healers was a gimp with 1 mana potion wouldn't have made a big difference. Don't try to make us look bad, which is all you could have been hoping to accomplish. Just because you are in a well known guild doesn't mean you can be a total jerk and sabotage our raid.

Congratulations on being the second person I squelch, *******.

EDIT: And no I was not the main tank. I was the healer who had to watch his dumb ass pull the whole fiasco. I talked to the main tank who was using Brute Fighting and incite DT armor.

[Aussieee]

Nice go but without names and guild posted this thread is a fail

[TheDearLeader]

Had to explain Divine Righteousness at length to a Barb friend of mine. 1 AP, and if a Paladin wants to, they will pull aggro. This, of course, is assuming they aren't total suck.

[hrazzak]

Way to go dude. Way to be a badass. You managed to pull aggro from our designated tank by turning on all your hate amplification and wearing your EClaw set.

But it doesn't help that when you pulled aggro, you just stood there and died; oh yea, and we asked if you wanted to tank when you pulled it a second time, and you just stood there. But wait, smiting isn't sustained DPS is it!? If you want to tank, speak up. I have never seen someone pull aggro away from our designated tank unless they were specifically trying, and we have plenty of ESoS weilders. If you want to tank, and we OFFER you the position, take it. But don't stand there and die in the fire. If I had my way, I wouldn't have raised you; screw your ESoS DPS; had you not been screwing around with our main tanks aggro, the fact that one of our healers was a gimp with 1 mana potion wouldn't have made a big difference. Don't try to make us look bad, which is all you could have been hoping to accomplish. Just because you are in a well known guild doesn't mean you can be a total jerk and sabotage our raid.

Congratulations on being the second person I squelch, *******.

Sounds like a good that are playing the Death Knight class in WoW haha..

[Blank_Zero]

I totally wanna know the name/guild on this guy. I watched that lfm fill while I was in an edq2 (btw, lag tonight was epic).

[MeliCat]

Question: was your designated tank particularly gimp?

I do have to wonder 'tis all...

I realise VOD <> epic chrono but it always seems silly to me when an AC build is 'tanking' such that everyone else has to gimp themselves (eg use tharnes instead of epic claw) just to be careful not to draw aggro. Slows everything down.

If you had plenty of eSOS users coudln't there have been another choice that could have held aggro better?

[laeris]

Question: was your designated tank particularly gimp?

I do have to wonder 'tis all...

I realise VOD <> epic chrono but it always seems silly to me when an AC build is 'tanking' such that everyone else has to gimp themselves (eg use tharnes instead of epic claw) just to be careful not to draw aggro. Slows everything down.

If you had plenty of eSOS users coudln't there have been another choice that could have held aggro better?

This is all well and good, but tanking Epic Chrono is suited more to people that can stay in through all the AOE attacks. Sacrificing some DPS for a reliable tank isn't a bad option in that run; it just means the other DPS in the group need to use their discretion with threat gear and power attack.

Intentionally pulling agro in Epic Chrono is pretty slack though, I can just imagine when the thing changes targets, turns to the party and lights up fire... -_-

[Stamp3de]

Way to go dude. Way to be a badass. You managed to pull aggro from our designated tank by turning on all your hate amplification and wearing your EClaw set.

But it doesn't help that when you pulled aggro, you just stood there and died; oh yea, and we asked if you wanted to tank when you pulled it a second time, and you just stood there. But wait, smiting isn't sustained DPS is it!? If you want to tank, speak up. I have never seen someone pull aggro away from our designated tank unless they were specifically trying, and we have plenty of ESoS weilders. If you want to tank, and we OFFER you the position, take it. But don't stand there and die in the fire. If I had my way, I wouldn't have raised you; screw your ESoS DPS; had you not been screwing around with our main tanks aggro, the fact that one of our healers was a gimp with 1 mana potion wouldn't have made a big difference. Don't try to make us look bad, which is all you could have been hoping to accomplish. Just because you are in a well known guild doesn't mean you can be a total jerk and sabotage our raid.

Congratulations on being the second person I squelch, *******.

Like I said I had zero hate generating items on. Maybe you should tell him to get some lol. I don't yet own an "eclaw set" as I just began playing last week after a few months of absence. I even threw on tharnes set for negative aggro after I pulled it from him (which I still managed to do a 2nd time after dying and losing all my raid buffs). I don't use Divine Righteousness (I don't have the enhancement which I dropped long ago after realizing that if I needed it to tank a raid in the first place, I should just let the barb do it and it also takes away a use of your divine might.) I know my pally is well built and can hold aggro especially vs EO, I wasn't trying to prove anything to anyone, I don't need to lol. I didn't want to tank which is why I didn't offer, but if I had known about his dps (or lack there of), I would have offered. It's silly that I should have to limit my dps output for his benefit. Turn of power attack..pft, I already purposely held smites. What's the point of raiding and getting items to increase dps if in turn I have to limit it? He had plenty time to build up aggro, I even asked if he was rdy for us to come in. Like I said earlier, it's not my fault if he couldn't hold it. I even stood still for him to try and regain aggro. Maybe you should have yelled at him for offering to do a job he that he couldn't do well.

Congratulations on thinking I care about you enough to make your guild look bad and thank you for dedicating a thread to my "Awesome" self

[Dendrix]

Aggro-generation is the responsibility of BOTH the main tank and you.

The main tank had low aggro. So YOU have to make sure you have lower aggro. You didn't manage to do that, so you failed.

[Stamp3de]

Aggro-generation is the responsibility of BOTH the main tank and you.

The main tank had low aggro. So YOU have to make sure you have lower aggro. You didn't manage to do that, so you failed.

I didn't realize the TWF WF Fighter using green steel khopeshes would have low aggro. My mistake. :/
I would have gladly went afk in a corner if that was necessary.

[MeliCat]

I didn't realize the TWF WF Fighter using green steel khopeshes would have low aggro. My mistake. :/
I would have gladly went afk in a corner if that was necessary.

lol.

So... I think I know who the OP is talking about now... but can I have the name and the guild of the tank choice PMed me?

[Rasczak]

Hmm, pulling aggro away after being given some time to build up hate.......that smells of we don't know what we doing so we'll offer to do the job and be cool. If a char has 1min to hit a boss and someone comes in and steal aggro......well I'll have to question the tank choice.

[uhgungawa]

IF, and just if, he was doing it to mess up your raid and died. And then you raised him, where's the fail

[Skani]

I never saw someone pulled aggro from our dedicated tank so Im sure you did that on purpose and I assuming you had some stuff that give additional threat. That was sabotage for sure!

That's how I see it.

Sabotage!

[PopeJual]

But it doesn't help that when you pulled aggro, you just stood there and died; oh yea, and we asked if you wanted to tank when you pulled it a second time, and you just stood there.

If someone pulls aggro off of you while you're tanking, what would you want them to do after their raise? I would think that standing still so that you can establish some more aggro might be something useful...

If you can't hold aggro with raid buffs with time to build aggro and then you STILL can't hold aggro after the person that grabbed aggro dies and loses all their raid buffs, then you need to *NEVER* offer to tank a raid *EVER* again.

Am I right in recalling that your aggro count is set back to 0 after you die? Either way, you did a poor job of tanking, but if a person's aggro count is set to 0 after dying, then you really need to reevaluate your character's build/gear/something.

[mystafyi]

this thread is full of /popcorn

[Blank_Zero]

This whole thread makes me happy. Ultimega is back again?

*hides in the lobster*

[Shade]

Ulti's DPS is just too uber!

He was probably at 30% of his max dps and just couldn't go any lower. His DPS is crazy high!

[sweez]

Fight nekkid!

[sephiroth1084]

Question: was your designated tank particularly gimp?

I do have to wonder 'tis all...

I realise VOD <> epic chrono but it always seems silly to me when an AC build is 'tanking' such that everyone else has to gimp themselves (eg use tharnes instead of epic claw) just to be careful not to draw aggro. Slows everything down.

If you had plenty of eSOS users coudln't there have been another choice that could have held aggro better?

The good AC tanks don't need people to sacrifice their DPS in order to hold aggro.

Personally, I think every AC tank that wants to hold aggro via hate should go into Tower of Despair part 2 in whatever set-up they plan on tanking with and see if they can pull and hold aggro on Nytherios when everyone in the group is going all-out DPS and starting at the same time.

If I'm in hybrid AC/DPS mode (two-handed weapon, Power Attack, AC gear), I tend to grab aggro between the 3rd and 5th smites, and then hold it for the entire fight unless someone has absolutely insane DPS. I think I've not been able to get aggro at all one time ever, and have had two or three instances where I was neck and neck with the next highest aggro generator, where I'd lose aggro if I refreshed a buff, and then pull it back after a crit or two. That's pretty much where you want to be as an AC threat tank, since it means that with some time to build up aggro, you should be fine.

Interestingly, I had a much easier time grabbing and maintaining aggro when I was TWF using a Min II and Holy Sword scimitar than I do now using the Epic Antique Greataxe. Part of this, I'm sure, is due to not having the THF feats and being only a mediocre twitcher, while the other part is going from a 13-20 crit range on smites to an 17-20, but the difference is noticeable, and a little disappointing. I imagine that if/when I acquire the ESoS I'll end up basically back at where I was when TWF.

Even when I'm using a shield, instead of the two-hander, I generally don't need more than about 1-2 minutes to build up aggro, with no one having to sacrifice their own DPS. If we're doing, say, ToD on elite, then it may be a different story, as I may have to turn on Combat Expertise, and then my DPS is going to be pretty poor. In those situations, I usually just ask for everyone to pop out to take care of any trash that spawns, in order to maintain aggro, and really, in ToD elite, that sort of strategy is beneficial as, depending on the group, 1-3 people responsible for trash may get overwhelmed anyway.

If I can ever acquire the Epic Gloves of the Claw the performance in all of these aspects will be improved quite a bit.