To the "Awesome" Guy Who Pulled Aggro in EChrono

[Aussieee]

Now that I know who the person was I would have to agree that he is indeed pretty awesome

[~jradnut]

Sorry, not from khyber, so pls excuse the drive by.

If had to place a bet after a brief glance, wouldn't be too hard to see who the newbs are here.

*popcorn*

/carry on

[Jacaroma]

Pretty sure i saw the main tank shooting a bow in the back after he lost agro twice after giving plenty of time to get agro in the first place...? What was up with that? ugotbabydps&umadbro

[Skani]

Pretty sure i saw the OP shooting a bow in the back after he lost agro twice after giving plenty of time to get agro in the first place...? What was up with that? ugotbabydps&umadbro

So the OP is that "dedicated tank"? Heh, now that thread have more sense.

[Attropos]

I have full confidence in the main tank. Ulti's DPS (since he admitted it was him) was good; however, turning on Hate Amp and the damage spikes, which I believe you did, is what really pulled the aggro. We said, if you want to tank, tank. But instead of stepping up, you just sat there and died. You didn't try to dodge the fire or anything. That's the biggest problem I had; the fact that you did not help the raid at all, in fact you actively hindered it. You made some snide comment beforehand saying hopefully I won't pull aggro, you turned on all your hate generating gear, and then you proceeded to stand there like a moron and die.

And no, I stopped raising him, after he pulled it not once but 2 times. The other cleric (who was terrible and made it onto my DNG list) was the one raising him.

And no, I was not the tank. I was the healer who blew 15 potions on healing and raising the party after Ultimega decided to pull aggro and have the party take the fire in the face. I have no problem using my potions, but if it's because of the vanity of one person that they all go to waste, I'm annoyed.

[jkm]

You made some snide comment beforehand saying hopefully I won't pull aggro, you turned on all your hate generating gear, and then you proceeded to stand there like a moron and die.

i assume ulti is still a kotc pally. based on having played a kotc pally in a past life, i think the prestige class has a hidden threat mod against evil outsiders (or heck, it may just be lorinthors).

that being said, there are some exceptions to cumulative dps that he probably tripped. if you do a lot more (like 500% or more) in one attack than anyone else dose there is a chance you can pull aggro. its normally only a problem with casters but i could see it being a problem here if the tank didn't get an offhand attack and the pally critted a smite (or a doublestrike).

you can also pull aggro if you do a lot more damage (2-300%) than the tank over a short time frame (10s or so) which is normally an issue for haste boosters.

[sephiroth1084]

I don't think KotC necessarily has a hidden threat modifier, but they get a lot of extra damage, and with 10% doublestrike from Zeal and very large crit smites, the DPS really adds up.

[Bwahahaha]

I've got a question? I have a bard-barian that hits str 40 with buffs and uses a great axe.

I seem to pull aggro like mad when I double strike...

So my question is, should I not be doing this?

I thought killing the boss as quickly as possible was the goal...

Just wondering???

[stainer]

I've got a question? I have a bard-barian that hits str 40 with buffs and uses a great axe.

I seem to pull aggro like mad when I double strike...

So my question is, should I not be doing this?

I thought killing the boss as quickly as possible was the goal...

Just wondering???

There are some quests where pulling agro messes things up in a hurry. Part III of ToD, VoD, and the boss fight in epic chrono come to mind.

[Barumar]

There are some quests where pulling agro messes things up in a hurry. Part III of ToD, VoD, and the boss fight in epic chrono come to mind.

Just to add to what Stainer said, normally it is during the Raid Boss fight, and one Tank - normally the guy with the most HP's, but can be anyone really (healing AMP, high AC, ass-kicker, etc) will go in first to lock agro. The rest of the party waits for that to happen, then gets on the bosses back for a - sneak attack bonus damage and b - avoid said bosses attacks which in some cases involve some serious AOE attacks that make no sense to have the rest of the group take damage from.

I too have a KoC TWF Pally, and even with just Holy Sword Khopeshes I have pulled agro in the Tower. Being asked to turn off power attach and worse stop using smites seems silly, but if that what it takes to complete the battle so be it.

So I leaned back and with auto attack on stared at the screen until the boss was dead. If I had wanted to play a Barbarian I would have rolled one !

When I do pull agro, I find it best to move away from the group - normally to where the tank is - so they don't take damage from the AOE until the tank can re-establish agro...

Barumar

[stainer]

Just to add to what Stainer said, normally it is during the Raid Boss fight, and one Tank - normally the guy with the most HP's, but can be anyone really (healing AMP, high AC, ass-kicker, etc) will go in first to lock agro. The rest of the party waits for that to happen, then gets on the bosses back for a - sneak attack bonus damage and b - avoid said bosses attacks which in some cases involve some serious AOE attacks that make no sense to have the rest of the group take damage from.

I too have a KoC TWF Pally, and even with just Holy Sword Khopeshes I have pulled agro in the Tower. Being asked to turn off power attach and worse stop using smites seems silly, but if that what it takes to complete the battle so be it.

So I leaned back and with auto attack on stared at the screen until the boss was dead. If I had wanted to play a Barbarian I would have rolled one !

When I do pull agro, I find it best to move away from the group - normally to where the tank is - so they don't take damage from the AOE until the tank can re-establish agro...

Barumar

All of this is true and I want to add something. It is possible to pull agro unintentionally if you aren't paying much attention. If the tank is chained (or slowed, or something else) that slows up his dps. A couple of successive lightning strikes, a couple of ill timed smites, or even a kensei boosted ftr who gets lucky with a successive string of crits can pull agro. I will back out of attacking for a couple secs if I get a bunch of crits. Also remember that some people are uber geared and others are more modestly geared.

[jkm]

I don't think KotC necessarily has a hidden threat modifier, but they get a lot of extra damage, and with 10% doublestrike from Zeal and very large crit smites, the DPS really adds up.

the problem is that you can pull aggro on an evil outsider without zeal/smites/df/dm. i know that there are 11 numbers going across the screen, but aggro seems to come earlier than normal.

[Lorz]

i cannot take anyone who names their toons one of the many OVER USED names from literary sources.

[MeliCat]

i cannot take anyone who names their toons one of the many OVER USED names from literary sources.

huh? Ultimega? I'd never heard of an 'Ultimega' before I came to DDO. I guess your 'literary sources' are different from mine after I've googled a bit...

[kanbeki]

huh? Ultimega? I'd never heard of an 'Ultimega' before I came to DDO. I guess your 'literary sources' are different from mine after I've googled a bit...

fail, also ultimega has baby dps, I'd probably delete all my characters and give my account away if he ever pulled aggro of me

[Stamp3de]

fail, also ultimega has baby dps, I'd probably delete all my characters and give my account away if he ever pulled aggro of me

Shouldn't you have done this already then?

[Stamp3de]

I have full confidence in the main tank. Ulti's DPS (since he admitted it was him) was good; however, turning on Hate Amp and the damage spikes, which I believe you did, is what really pulled the aggro. We said, if you want to tank, tank. But instead of stepping up, you just sat there and died. You didn't try to dodge the fire or anything. That's the biggest problem I had; the fact that you did not help the raid at all, in fact you actively hindered it. You made some snide comment beforehand saying hopefully I won't pull aggro, you turned on all your hate generating gear, and then you proceeded to stand there like a moron and die.

And no, I stopped raising him, after he pulled it not once but 2 times. The other cleric (who was terrible and made it onto my DNG list) was the one raising him.

And no, I was not the tank. I was the healer who blew 15 potions on healing and raising the party after Ultimega decided to pull aggro and have the party take the fire in the face. I have no problem using my potions, but if it's because of the vanity of one person that they all go to waste, I'm annoyed.

I already said I didn't use any hate items/abilities. If you don't believe that then oh well enjoy being an idiot.
What's the point of using them if I'm not main tank? Vanity? lol I couldn't care less about impressing a noob(s)

[Faent]

The good AC tanks don't need people to sacrifice their DPS in order to hold aggro.

This is unlikely. In some situations and certain party compositions, it will be true. It will be manifestly false across all situations and party compositions.

[SardaofChaos]

huh? Ultimega? I'd never heard of an 'Ultimega' before I came to DDO. I guess your 'literary sources' are different from mine after I've googled a bit...

Indeed. Lorz, can you give me a list so I can make sure every single name on it is in the game, creating characters as necessary?

[Azonalanthious]

This is unlikely. In some situations and certain party compositions, it will be true. It will be manifestly false across all situations and party compositions.

Actually, it 'could' be true because it depends on the subjective definition of good. If he defined a good "AC tank" as one who doesn't need people to sacrifice their DPS to hold aggro and all other AC tanks as bad, then that statement is true across all situations and party compositions. Just say.